__/ [ spike1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ] on Tuesday 22 August 2006 18:19 \__
> hawat.thufir@xxxxxxxxx did eloquently scribble:
>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, spike1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Exactly, if you cut their internet connection off at the router, they'd
>>> have no choice but to clean up their computers.
>
>> Who's going to cut them off? The ISP, whom the customer _pays_? That ISP
>> won't be in business long. The customer will most likely blame the
>> messenger, the ISP.
Bingo! And that's just exemplifies the severity of the issue. Here at the
University we disconnext and fine for virus infection, but we also maintain
a sort of monopoly on campus. Moreover, if you consider places where there
is /choice/, the potentially-bad record of a customer will not follow the
customer (i.e. be passed from the former ISP to the new one). The careless
user can jog from one ISP to another, so many newly-accepted clients will be
the unwanted 'junk' that will never have a valid reason to get his/her s**t
together and upgrade to Linux/Mac.
> It's happened before.
> When I first started my job a few years ago we had a bsd box that'd been
> handling e-mail for the past god knows how long (years).
> One day, we couldn't connect. No matter what combinations of settings we
> tried.
> Phoned the ISP (demon in the uk) and they said the mail server was openly
> relaying mail and being used to spam. They'd blocked the SMTP port on our
> account until they were satisfied the problem had been fixed.
>
> The SPAM problem is ultimately the responsibility of the users whose
> machines are spewing it. The secondary responsibilty is for the ISP to keep
> their users informed, educated and, if necessary blocked.
When I was hit by DDOS attacks, I blamed 3 factors:
* Google, for their algorithm that promotes 'link greed'
* Microsoft, for its shoddy software that gets pwned
* ISP's that harbour spammers and do not police their users.
I never blamed Windows users at the time. Many of them are innocent
bystanders whose default O/S (chosen by the OEM that offers no choice) does
much of the damage. I didn't blame spammers either because streetsmarts say
there will always be some s**theads, given the incentive/s (e.g. broken O/S,
ISP that just don't care, and a faulty model for the Web hierarchy).
> If they include a warning in their terms and conditions and all ISPs abide
> by it, the users have no choice. They can complain and winge and whine
> about it all they like but it's their machines that're at fault.
ISP's are made of people. And people are lazy. *smile*
Unless it bited, the employee will remain apathetic.
Best wishes,
Roy
--
Roy S. Schestowitz | "Quote when replying in non-real-time dialogues"
http://Schestowitz.com | Free as in Free Beer ¦ PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
Load average (/proc/loadavg): 0.53 1.14 0.97 1/134 23227
http://iuron.com - semantic search engine project initiative
|
|
