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Re: And another XP SP3 Beta^H^H^H^HVista review

__/ [ Richard Rasker ] on Saturday 16 December 2006 17:29 \__

I'll defend with links, because it's quick.

http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/2006/12/12/10-days-with-windows-vista-ultimate-edition/
> 
> Nothing we didn't know already, but worth mentioning all the same:
> 
>  "Windows Vista is by no means a small upgrade, but you won't find any
>   major functionality features or groundbreaking technology that you can
>   see. What you will find is lots (and I mean LOTS) of tiny changes and
>   improvements that sometimes help but often confuse you if you are as
>   accustomed to Windows XP as I was."
> 
> So it's actually more like XP SP3 than a new OS - at least from the user's
> point of view.


Why Has Microsoft Abandoned the Power User?

,----[ Quote ]
| I don't know about you, but I'm feeling abandoned these
| days, as Windows Vista and Internet Explorer are
| increasingly closed off.
|
| How about you -- do you see any evidence of this
| disturbing trend?
`----

http://www.oreillynet.com/windows/blog/2006/10/why_has_microsoft_abandoned_th.html


Microsoft Power Users, Part II

,----[ Quote ]
| There's no Microsoft Power User "WinHEC" out there. Microsoft
| is all about the developer, and seldom seems to cater to the
| true enthusiasts. There's a loosely-constructed MVP program
| (of which I am a member, with the Windows Digital Media
| distinction), but no real company mission to listen to what's
| going on in the world outside the Microsoft (to use their word)e
| cosystem. And because of that, we end up with sloppy,
| "just good enough" experiences. My earlier post on the
| pre-beta of Longhorn illustrates my point ENTIRELY.
|
| [...]
|
`----

http://chris.pirillo.com/2005/04/27/microsoft-power-users-part-i/


>  "I won't mix words here, Windows Vista on 512mb ram is a dog."
> 
> [I guess he meant to say "mince words"]
> 
> Well, it appears that Vista does *not* run smoothly on 512MB after all,
> and that it *does* require an hefty extra amount of system resources to
> match XP's performance. So it *will* be a nasty performance downgrade for
> any sucker who has an average "Vista Ready" PC, and expects a painless
> "upgrade".
> So Erik, we've been a little optimistic in this department, now haven't we?


Testing Vista's different memory configurations 

,----[ Quote ]
| You simply cannot play games on Vista with 512MB o memory, at least not the 
| games wen tested. You will sometimes get playable scores but even then the 
| experience and the load time will be ridiculous.
| 
| Anything more than 512MB will help you a lot, with 2x1GB being the best 
| price performance buy.
| 
| 4x1GB is the best choice for best raw performance. It is hard to prove it
| ^^^^^ 
| in every test, but if you have 2x1GB and you load as much in memory, the 
|                                ^^^^^
| system will become endessly slow. 
|                             ^^^^     
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36148


Vista Runs Smooth Only on 2G Memory

,----[ Quote ]
| However, Dell CEO Kevin Rollins suggested otherwise on Thursday, 26 Oct at 
| a speech at Shanghai's Jiaotong University. "I think they tell you maybe 1 
| gig of memory is OK. No, two gigs of memory would be great."
| 
| This echoes with my own experience with Vista RC2. With only 1G of
| RAM, there are many disk activities indicating heavy disk swap, a
| symptom of lack of memory in the system.
`----

http://www.itechnote.com/2006/10/27/vista-runs-smooth-only-on-2g-memory/


Vista System Memory Concerns

,----[ Quote ]
| Vista: Facing a Slow Adoption. In the beginning, early adopters and
| gamers who are looking to ready themselves for the DirectX 10 upgrade
| will be best suited for those ready to make an investment in the
| unknown.
| 
| Considering how many software and game titles will likely need to
| be run in "compatibility mode" until patches are released across
| the board, I would suggest really looking at what Vista's advantages
| are before taking the plunge.
| 
| No matter how much we may wish to see the path Vista is about to
| embark on, the fact remains that because of its hardware requirements,
| Vista adoption may turn out to be rather slow.
`----

http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2395&Itemid=449


Microsoft Windows Is A Greedy Memory Hog, The Cure Is To Feed It RAM

,----[ Quote ]
| For Windows 2000, XP, 512MB is the minimum and 1GB or more is recommended.
| For Windows 98 any flavor, 256MB is the minimum and 1GB is recommended. If 
| you are an avid PC gamer or video editor, 1GB is the minimum 
| recommendation. Other operating systems such as Linux or Mac are similar. 
| Simply put: more is better.
`----

http://bytepowered.org/articles/Article/Microsoft-Windows-Is-A-Greedy-Memory-Hog--The-Cure-Is-To-Feed-It-RAM/539
http://tinyurl.com/yn9ztx


On Linux:

,----[ Quote ]
| "I did install SuSE 7.3 on a Dyme 166 MHz machine with 32 MB installed and
| I used KDE 2.2 from July 2003 to December 2004 to write my documents,
| develop my compiler and browse the web."
`----

http://thebeez.vnunetblogs.com/the_beez_speaks/2006/10/the_unknown_sol.html


>  "Overall Windows Vista is most definitely a strong effort by Microsoft
>   to replace Windows XP. Unfortunately thanks to many of the problems I
>   ran into over the last 10 days I can't recommend it for anyone but
>   early adopters or those who don't mind finding work-arounds for these
>   types of problems."
> 
> Uh-oh, it doesn't even seem to be ready for prime time yet ... And to
> think that all those Microsoft apologists here claim that Linux is
> "unfinished", "not ready", "full of bugs" etcetera ...


Life with Vista - Is this dogfood really for the dogs?

,----[ Quote ]
| # Vista is not ready for primetime. By that I mean that Vista still
| feels like a beta. That's right. It has so many compatibility
| problems with existing applications that running anything other
| than stuff from Microsoft that specifically says "for Vista Build
| XXXX" makes me feel like I'm taking my life into my own hands.
| 
|    1. Games - don't even get me started...
| 
|    2. Visual Studio 2005 - I can't find the words to express the irony...
| 
|    3. Virtual PC - worthless. Don't even attempt on Vista.
`----

http://dotnetaddict.dotnetdevelopersjournal.com/vista_dogfood.htm


Visual Studio vs. Vista: What's going on here?

,----[ Quote ]
|     * Visual Basic 6.0 (supported)
|     * Visual Studio .NET 2002 (not supported)
|     * Visual Studio .NET 2003 (not supported)
|     * Visual Studio 2005 (supported, but will have "compatibility issues" 
|       until some nebulous set of post-SP1 fixes ships)
`----

http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=42426


Windows Vista: Work In Progress

,----[ Quote ]
| Already, the list of non-compatible applications or hardware is fairly
| long. Microsoft's own Vista updates add to the number of third-partyp
| atches on which businesses will have to conduct compatibility testing.
| The burden is yet another reason to see slow business deployments in
| the early months following Windows Vista's release.
`----

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/windows_vista_work_in_progress.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535


SQL Server 2005 SP1 won't work with Vista

,----[ Quote ]
| It's no secret that a number of applications, including
| several of Microsoft's own, are not going to work properly
| with Windows Vista when the product ships.
`----

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=71 


Vista Breaks Applications

,----[ Quote ]
| The big secret at Redmond is that existing applications and new
| products will not work with Vista.
|       
| Microsoft really doesn't want you to know this, but many of your
| existing applications won't work with Vista. In fact, some brand
| new products won't work with Vista. 
`----

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2062318,00.asp


> Conclusion: Is Vista the Great New Microsoft OS? Not even close.
> It's an expensive, resource-hogging XP SP3 Beta at best.


I like the "SP3 Beta" bit. *smile*
 
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