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Re: Buying a new laptop _without_ Microsoft Windows?

  • Subject: Re: Buying a new laptop _without_ Microsoft Windows?
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:38:26 +0000
  • Newsgroups: uk.comp.sys.laptops
  • Organization: schestowitz.com / MCC / Manchester University
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__/ [Whiskers] on Saturday 04 February 2006 14:51 \__

> On 2006-02-04, Conor O'Neill <news_user_200602@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I'm looking to buy a new laptop, which I will install Linux on (probably
>> Mandriva). However, everywhere I look, all new laptops come with
>> Microsoft XP pre-installed. I _don't_ want to buy this and simply
>> discard it.
>> Does anyone have any (up-to-date) suggestions of places _in the UK_
>> where I can buy a top-brand laptop without an OS?
> I bought this re-conditioned HP laptop from a local computer shop (not a
> big chain), with no installed OS and with HP-branded Mandrake installation
> CDs in the package.  I suspect the supply is sporadic and unpredictable
> though; I just got lucky.

In principle, HP are selling Ubuntu laptops and desktops <
http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?src=rss&id=595 >. They are probably the
first large vendor to do this. HP executive also left the company recently
in order to work on Linux servers.


> I haven't bought anything from <http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/>
> myself, but I have bookmarked their website on the strength of mentions
> I've seen of them in newsgroups; they offer their laptops without any
> installed OS - and for less than they charge for pre-installing Windows.
> (You have to follow the links for a particular product right through to the
> page where you can 'Add system to basket' before you see this choice).

I was going to mention Novatech, but found out that somebody already has,
which is why I reply to this thread. Like yourself, I have their site
bookmarked and I often recommend them. I hear that they also have decent
customer support.

> You could try arguing with a shop, or a 'top brand' maker, that you should
> get a discount or refund for re-formatting the HD and returning all the MS
> stuff to them - but I wouldn't recommend holding your breath.

The more interesting point is the fact that the client does not have the
chance to accept the Microsoft Windows EULA.

> I think in at least one of the US states there is legislation requiring
> retailers or Microsoft to 'refund the Microsoft tax' to customers who
> don't want the pre-intalled Windows they have no chance of avoiding when
> they buy a new computer.
> In France, Mandriva are selling at least two HP/Compaq laptop models with
> Mandriva and Windows both installed.  We can hope that they, or another
> distro, will do the something similar in the UK soon - preferably without
> Windows being an obligatory part of the deal.

That's correct.


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