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Re: [News] Ozzie: Lying, Or Simply Misinformed?

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:36:56 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

>| "It's software and it will have flaws," Ozzie cautioned. But Vista
>| has been built from the ground up to be secure "by design," he said
>| in a presentation in which he answered questions from conference
>| chair John Battelle and from attendees.
> `----
> 
> Huh??? "Secure by design"? "From the ground up"?? Vista is just XP/Server
> 2003 codebase with some stuff strapped onto it. It was /NOT/ built from the
> ground up. Singularity is being built from the ground up and it's just some
> small-scale proof-of-concept research. Longhorn was scraped.

"built from the ground up" doesn't mean it's 100% new code.  It means they
started with nothing, then evaluated each bit of code put into the system.
Some of that code may have been existing code, some new.  Estimates are,
60% new code in Vista.

Let's put this another way.  Around here, they tend to "revitalize" old
areas.  In many cases they tear down a building brick for brick, then build
a new building re-using many of the bricks and other parts of the old
building in the process.

It's still "built from the ground up".

> Windows codebase is /NOT/ secure by design. Multiple users, privileges and
> networking (among other basic components) are 'merely' hacks applied to that
> 'PC on every desk' from the 80's (Windows 1.0).

You don't know what you're talking about.  Vista is not based on Windows
1.0 source code.

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