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[News] [Rival] Microsoft Lied About Windows Vista Startup Time, Welcome to "Sleep of Death"

  • Subject: [News] [Rival] Microsoft Lied About Windows Vista Startup Time, Welcome to "Sleep of Death"
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:33:04 +0000
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • Organization: Netscape / schestowitz.com
  • User-agent: KNode/0.10.4
Is your Anti-Virus software slowing down your Vista boot time?

,----[ Quote ]
| When Microsoft first announced the feature set for Vista, one of the things 
| they claimed was that you would actually have shorter startup times, but we 
| later discovered that what they meant was that there would be power saving 
| features that would make it easy to put your PC into sleep mode when you're 
| not using it and quickly resume.    
`----

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/12/10/is-your-anti-virus-software-slowing-down-your-vista-boot-time/

See? Liars and spinners. They still face class-action lawsuit for a
Vista-ready/capable scam that Microsoft's lawyers themselves cannot defend.
DX10 is another hoax (proven earlier, many more examples below).

The Vista Sleep of Death

,----[ Quote ]
| Ok, I have to admit I did have issues with the Vista Sleep of Death 
| (so-called). Sometimes my computer would go into sleep mode and be difficult 
| to wake up.  
`----

http://www.alaskainmydreams.com/blog/?p=73

So, no fast boot and no sleep mode, either. This was reported many times before
(sleepy bugs).

Craig Pringle on Sleep of Death and Vista Insomnia

http://www.gottabemobile.com/CommentView,guid,cc2f4b08-6f36-4d15-9e5b-5e7e98d93358.aspx


Related:

Windows Vista's Hideous Wakeup Support

,----[ Quote ]
| One thing we just can't wrap our mind about is the terrible,
| broken, and completely pitiful support for waking Vista up from
| a Deep Sleep or hibernation.' Any time you attempt to wake Vista
| up from Hibernation or "Deep Sleep" (S3-induced sleep mode), it
| dies. It's either a BSOD, or a driver error, or a broken network,
| no DWM, lack of sound... the list goes on, and on. So much for an
| operating system to "power" the future! (No pun intended!) That's
| with properly-signed drivers and no buggy software on
| multiple PCs...
`----

http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/299


Startup times

,----[ Quote ]
| PCLinuxOS 2007 (on my home laptop, a middle-of-the-road machine): 40 seconds
| Mandriva 2008: 40 seconds
| Xubuntu 7.10: 45 seconds
| openSUSE 10.3 (clean install, OSS/KDE): about 45 seconds
| Fedora 8: about 50 seconds (a huge improvement over the last few versions :-)
| Windows Vista: 3 minutes 45 seconds
| ...What?
`----

http://distrogue.blogspot.com/2007/12/startup-times.html


Ubuntu vs. That Other OS

,----[ Quote ]
| Both machines have the same exact specs, both have been used for the same 
| time (to be fair I have tweaked the OS on the left quite a bit to optimize 
| it). Ubuntu is already idle by the time the video ends; while the other PC 
| takes 30 seconds more than what I’ve uploaded to idle the hard drive.   
`----

http://blog.estebanglas.com.ar/2007/11/ubuntu-vs-that-other-os/


Lawyers: Even Microsoft Confused Over Vista Marketing

,----[ Quote ]
| A Microsoft product manager couldn't correctly explain the "Vista Capable" 
| marketing slogan, according to recent filings in a lawsuit that claims the 
| company misled consumers with a prerelease Vista campaign last year.  
`----

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,139961-pg,1/article.html


Excerpts: Latest filings in 'Vista Capable' lawsuit

,----[ Quote ]
| The lawsuit over Microsoft's "Windows Vista Capable" marketing program has 
| reached a key juncture. Lawyers for the plaintiffs have formally requested 
| class-action status for the case, seeking to open it up to many more people, 
| and Microsoft last week filed its official opposition to that request. The 
| filings contain some interesting tidbits on both sides.    
`----

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/126606.asp?source=rss


Judge Says 'Windows Vista Capable' Lawsuit Can Proceed

,----[ Quote ]
| A federal judge has ruled that two consumers can proceed with a lawsuit that 
| claims Microsoft's "Windows Vista Capable" campaign was misleading. 
`----

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201305528&subSection=All+Stories


Six budget graphics cards fail in DX10 shoot-out

,----[ Quote ]
| In the end, after struggling to find playable settings for these cards, and 
| considering what a monster rig we used for testing - the only card we can 
| recommend to acquire for Yuletide is the Radeon HD 3850. The only two other 
| boards that have enough horsepower for DX10 gaming are XFX 8600GTS and HIS 
| IceQ 2600XT.    
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/27/low-gpus-leave-lot-desired


Microsoft, Flight Simulator developers use images to paint misleading picture

,----[ Quote ]
| We received this set of screenshots ages ago from Microsoft itself, which 
| used this game heavily to promote the beauty of DX10 and how necessary is to 
| switch from Windows XP to Vista. These two screenshots ended in quite a lot 
| of mainstream magazines, and were all over the place in specialist IT media.   
| 
| [...]
| 
| Nobody buys explanations about why Flight Simulator runs so slowly on 
| quad-core processors and most powerful graphics cards, as we concluded in our 
| review.  
| 
| FSX is rendering practically everything, forget about any modern 3D feature 
| such as Occlussion Culling, Occlusion Querry and Z-buffer compression and 
| putting a bitmap cockpit on blanked alpha texture, while everything else is 
| being rendered.   
| 
| This procedure just kills performance and we could not imagine any game past 
| DX7 utilizing such a concept. 
| 
| We cannot avoid the thought that this plot might have been done deliberately, 
| in order to spark interest about the game itself and boost sales of a product 
| that usually has a limited customer base.  
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/26/flight-simulator-developer


Vista Offers Nothing to Gamers

,----[ Quote ]
| This is just a small sampling of games obviously, but for our
| intended experiment, I think they did the trick. We wanted to
| simulate what a normal gamer might go through in order to play 
| games on Vista, and the end result was just slightly more hassle
| than you would with XP. 
`----

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2007/03/01/vista_offers_nothing_to_gamers_uk/index.html


Crysis DX10 Fraud Exposed - DX9 to DX10 Patch

,----[ Quote ]
| Crytek developers have deliberately crippled Crysis for the only purpose of 
| marketing DX10 and Windows Vista. the proof is a simple config file tweak 
| allows the use of 'Very High' quality textures, shadows, etc on DX9 and 
| WinXP.    
`----

http://haleyshothouse.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5159


DX9 and DX10 performance compared 

,----[ Quote ]
| So, it seems, there is some difference to crow about - although it is our 
| suspicion that, given the time and inclination, most of the flasher DX10 
| features could be retro-fitted without much hassle, and the differences are 
| more a product of time and money than capability.   
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41958


Inside CNET Labs: Lamenting DirectX 10

,----[ Quote ]
| We compared the same title side by side on a system running DX10 on Vista to 
| the same title on an identical system running DX9 on XP, and it's 
| difficult--sometimes impossible--to detect significant differences in how the 
| games look or perform.   
`----

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9750536-1.html


Adding DX10 has "done nothing"

,----[ Quote ]
| Having tested the DX10 rendering path against the DX9 version, the chaps at 
| the fantastically named Elite Bastards say that they can't "Help but feel a 
| little disappointed to see yet another game where the inclusion of DirectX 10 
| functionality has done nothing for the title either graphically or from 
| performance standpoint".    
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41043


OpenGL 2.x and 3.0 APIs arrive this year 

,----[ Quote ]
| Approximately three months after that, Mount Evans (OpenGL 3.0) will 
| run specifically on hardware born after November 8th, 2006. You've
| guessed it correctly, we are talking about DirectX 10-class hardware,
| bringing all the features of unified 3D architecture to the world of 
| OpenGL. Mount Evans is compatible with Longs Peak, but of course -
| you will require OpenGL 3.0 class hardware to run everything.
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39846


Valve survey shows hundreds of thousands steamed up 

,----[ Quote ]
| However, the survey also shows how far Microsoft et al have to go 
| - currently, DX10-capable gamers (ie those with Vista and a DX10 card) 
| make up 1.21% of the gaming population.
|         ^^^^^
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40049


DAAMIT! AMD's DX10 is not up to scratch 

,----[ Quote ]
| The gap isn't much, but there's a good 10-15 per cent difference between 
| the two cards, and this is rather disappointing for a card that has 
| been repeatedly marketed as future proof.
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40048


Lord of the Rings Online: DX10 Patch

,----[ Quote ]
| The DX10 codepath offered by the latest update to the Lord of the Rings 
| client software gives us no reason to recommend anyone upgrade to Windows 
| Vista right now to use it. It offers a couple of real visual quality 
| upgrades, but currently with a monstrous performance penalty.   
`----

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxMywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==


ATI: Linux vs. Windows Vista

,----[ Quote ]
| Wow! We were completely blown away when our final results came in and the 
| Linux 8.42.3 driver had outperformed Windows Vista with Catalyst 7.10 in 
| Enemy Territory: Quake Wars. It wasn't just a neck-and-neck race but Linux 
| was about 10 frames per second faster when running at 1280 x 1024 and 1680 x 
| 1050.    
`----

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=897&num=3


Gears of War PC Performance and IQ

,----[ Quote ]
| DX10 On = No Advantage
| 
| We are not sure exactly what turning on DX10 does, but we do know it causes a 
| large performance drop on every video card. In our testing we found 
| absolutely no image quality differences by turning this to “On.” The only 
| benefit was being able to use “On/Antialiasing” for 4X AA, but you need a 
| very fast video card to use that setting. If you have a GeForce 8800 
| GTX/Ultra level video card you can enjoy that setting. But on the GeForce 
| 8800 GT/GTS and Radeon HD 2900 XT you will have to sacrifice other in-game 
| options or resolutions in order to use 4X AA. It is rather a shame because we 
| noticed that 4X AA does improve the visual quality of this game in a 
| noticeable way.         
| 
| Disappointing In-Game AA Controls
| 
| [...]
| 
| Overall Summary
| 
| Gears of War plays very well with DX10 set to “Off,” and this is the mode you 
| will find the best gaming performance with.  
| 
| [...]
| 
| The Bottom Line
| 
| We found no image quality differences inherent to enabling DX10 mode, but we 
| did find a large performance drop on every video card. Simply put there is no 
| reason to run this game in DX10 unless you have a powerful enough video card 
| to handle 4X AA with this mode enabled. For the best performance run this 
| game with DX10 “Off” and crank up the resolution with maximum in-game 
| settings for a very fun, fast paced, action game.      
`----

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxNiwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA


Vista-only game cracked 

,----[ Quote ]
| Falling Leaf Studios had previously reported that they were working 
| on the 'Alky Project' that would contribute 'Alky Compatibility 
| Libraries' to allow the successful running of Halo 2 and Shadowrun 
| on Windows XP machines.
|
| Looks like it was a lot simpler than that. 
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40538


Hacked DX10 for Windows appears 

,----[ Quote ]
| A chap called Cody Brocious from San Diego, California, claims to
| have started to create an wrapper for Windows executables so that
| they can be ran on another operating system, with no prejudice
| about that operating system.
| 
| A year in, the Alky Project has gone live under the cover of a
| company Falling Leaf Systems. Members of its Sapling Program will
| be able to get the wrappers for DirectX10 applications and run
| them not just on DX10 hardware under Windows XP, but with some
| DX9 hardware as well. 
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39095


Valve questions Microsoft's commitment to PC gaming

,----[ Quote ]
| Half-Life 2 developer Valve thinks that Microsoft's current
| "Games for Windows" marketing push is a cynical ploy to sell
| more copies of Windows Vista, rather than a genuine effort to
| invigorate the PC gaming market.
`----

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2007/03/12/valve_questions_microsofts_commitment/


Vista SP1 a Performance Dud

,----[ Quote ]
| After extensive testing of both RTM and SP1-patched versions of Windows 
| Vista, it seems clear that the hoped-for performance fixes that Microsoft has 
| been hinting at never materialized. Vista + SP1 is no faster than Vista from 
| the RTM image.   
| 
| Bottom Line: If you've been disappointed with the performance of Windows 
| Vista to date, get used to it. SP1 is simply not the panacea that many 
| predicted. In the end, it's Vista's architecture - not a lack of tuning or 
| bug fixes - that makes it perform so poorly on systems that 
| were "barn-burners" under Windows XP.    
`----

http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2007/11/vista-sp1-performance-dud.html


Critics: Vista Ultimate's promised add-ons just broken promises

,----[ Quote ]
| Trouble is, according to critics like Scott Dunn, an editor with 
| the popular "Windows Secrets" newsletter, Microsoft hasn't followed 
| through. Since January, when Vista was released to consumers, no new 
| finished Extra have been offered to Ultimate users.
`----

http://computerworld.com.my/ShowPage.aspx?pagetype=2&articleid=5464&pubid=4&issueid=115


Windows Vista: Five Broken Promises  

,----[ Quote ]
| I'm willing to put up with all those headaches, certainly more so than Jim 
| Louderback. But there were several things I was really looking forward to in 
| Vista that are simply missing in action or broken.   
`----

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,2183521,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532


Broken Windows

,----[ Quote ]
| Not since Windows ME or Mac OS X 10.0 have I observed a more troubled 
| consumer operating system. This is a difficult post to write, because I 
| really don't want to beat on Microsoft about Vista yet again.  
`----

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/broken_windows.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535


Typo leads to Vista SP1 confusion

,----[ Quote ]
| News agencies and bloggers picked up on the post, prompting the WDK team to 
| update the e-mail on Wednesday, saying that the original had featured a 
| typographic error, and that the build available was for the upcoming Windows 
| Server 2008.   
`----

http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6197767.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&subj=news


Vista isn’t Me2, it’s Win95 + 12 years

,----[ Quote ]
| Businesses will continue to stay away from Vista in droves. They have 
| a perfectly acceptable alternative in Windows XP, and there’s little 
| upside in upgrading.
`----

http://launchr.blogspot.com/2007/06/vista-isnt-me2-its-win95-12-years.html


It is time to stop the spread of Vista SP1 misinformation!

,----[ Quote ]
| I agree. It is time to stop the misinformation, the bulk of which is coming 
| from Microsoft right now. 
`----

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=587


Microsoft: No Rush to Vista SP1

,----[ Quote ]
| Those enterprises holding off Windows Vista deployments for Service Pack 1 
| maybe shouldn't wait on Microsoft.The question: Should they deploy Vista or 
| XP?  
|
| Until today, the silence around SP1 was downright frightening. Other than 
| responding to a Google legal complaint, Microsoft has been mum about SP1's 
| delivery. Microsoft still is not saying when, but it is now saying the update 
| isn't that important.   
`----

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/microsoft_no_rush_to_vista_sp1.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535


,----[ Quote ]
| From nathanm Mon Oct 01 11:42:05 1990
| To: billg; bradsi;
| Subject: SPARC, MIPS & Compaq
| DateL Tue Oct 02, 22:57:14 1990
|
| [...]
|
| The purpose of announcing early like this is to freeze the market at the 
|                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| OEM and ISV level. In this respect it is JUST like the original Windows 
| announcement ..
| 
| One might worry that this will help Sun because we will just have 
|                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| vaporware, that people will stop buying 486 machines, that we will have 
| ^^^^^^^^^
| endorsed RISC but not delivered .. So, Scott, do you really think you 
| can fight that avalanche?
`----

http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/010807/PLEX_0411_A.pdf


Imaginary Innovations

,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft, Intel and Motorola were especially vocal in promoting
| alliances with media brands that, a year later, have fizzled or
| haven't come to fruition at all.
| 
| Last year, Microsoft pumped up the crowds about its URGE music
| service, which it created in conjunction with Viacom's MTV. But
| while MTV is just now beginning to promote the service, Microsoft
| seems to have moved on in favor of the Zune Marketplace and the
| potential of satellite TV on Media Center PCs and Xbox 360s.
`----

http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/04/vaporware-ces-gadgets-tech-media-cx_rr_0105vaporware.html?partner=yahootix
http://tinyurl.com/y8fdkr


Vaporware '06: Return of the King

,----[ Quote ]
| 8. The "IPod Killer"
| 
| Every time we hear about a new portable audio device, it's touted
| as the magic bullet that will end the iPod's reign once and for
| all.
| 
| Oh, you mean that thing? The one with the ugly design and clunky
| user interface? Does it at least work with iTunes?
| 
| Microsoft's Zune was supposed to do the trick, but it's sitting
| on the shelves (even the SanDisk Sansa is selling better than Zune)w
| hile the kids are all enjoying their freshly unwrapped, shiny new
| iPods.
| 
| Note to everyone: It's a White Wire World. Get over it.
`----

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72350-1.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1


Microsoft Murders Max

,----[ Quote ]
| Well, it's official at any rate. Contrary to what you've heard, Windows
| Vista will not be shipping with any of the original technologies,
| features, capabilities, or subsystems originally promised (and for
| those of you that really couldn't tell: it's called sarcasm!). First
| it was the real Aero - complete visual control over one's system.
| Amazing graphics, sidebars that were a part of the Windows Core,
| Aero Diamond. Then it was NGSCB and its amazing security features
| - not DRM, but total privacy control; your privacy. Monad. Last
| we heard, it was WinFS, the king-pin feature that was promised
| to change the way you think of data... And now the last one is
| gone: Microsoft Max is dead.
`----

http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/277


Microsoft exec "guarantees" graphical superiority for 360 titles

,----[ Quote ]
| The idea of a "guarantee" of better-looking titles is substantially
| silly, however. Graphics quality is often subjective, and without a
| clear horsepower advantage of one system over the other, it will be
| difficult if not impossible to claim that titles on one system look better 
| than those on another. 
`----

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061003-7894.html


What Longhorn was supposed to be:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b9ifQvQCO7Y


Vista Irritations

,----[ Quote ]
| According to this Slashdot article, copying, moving and deleting
| files is slower under Vista. At least now I know why extracting a
| compressed file under Vista is like watching paint dry/grass grow
| (I've only tried using Winzip 11).
| 
| [...]
| 
| Now we name our directory and it?s done right? Not quite, because
| after typing your directory name and pressing enter, it's time
| for yet more prompts...
`----

http://harrisben.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/vista-irritations/


Vista: Slow and Dangerous

,----[ Quote ]
| Most of the time I spent testing Vista was with sluggish pre-release
| versions. I expected things to improve when I ran the finished software
| on PCs configured for the new Windows version. I now realize that
| Vista really is slow unless you throw a lot of hardware at it.
| Microsoft claims it will run with 512 megabytes of memory. I had
| recommended a minimum of a gigabyte, but 2 GB is more like it if
| you want snappy performance.
| 
| [...]
| 
| The most exasperating thing about Vista, though, is the security
| feature called User Account Control. UAC, satirized in an Apple
| ad as a security guy who constantly interrupts a conversation, 
| appears as a pop-up asking permission before Windows...
`----

http://www.keepmedia.com/pubs/BusinessWeek/2007/03/26/3124001


Copying files across LAN with Vista is deathly slow

,----[ Quote ]
| Copying files from my XP video capture pc to my Vista pc is 3 times
| slower than copying from my XP video capture PC to my old XP PC.
`----

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/99609816/m/109009593831


Copying files across LAN with Vista is deathly slow

,----[ Quote ]
| Copying files from my XP video capture pc to my Vista pc is 3 times
| slower than copying from my XP video capture PC to my old XP PC.
`----

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/99609816/m/109009593831


The copy process may stop responding when you try to copy files from a server
on a network to a Windows Vista-based computer

,----[ Quote ]
| On a Windows Vista-based computer, when you try to copy files from a
| server on a network, the copy process may stop responding (hang), and
| you may receive a message that resembles the following:
| 
| Calculating Time Remaining
| 
| 0 minutes remaining 
`----

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/931770


Your expense = my revenue

,----[ Quote ]
| "Windows is a money making machine for everyone involved" - but
| describing it as really a kind of work for welfare scheme in which
| everyone wins -except the customer to whom it's a cost, and the 
| national economy for which it's a productivity sink.
`----

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=803


Analyst slams Vista's 'backward' UI

,----[ Quote ]
| Windows Vista is a step back in usability, researcher claims
`----

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&newsID=17334

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