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Re: [News] OOXML Too Dangerous to Go Through as an International Standard

  • Subject: Re: [News] OOXML Too Dangerous to Go Through as an International Standard
  • From: High Plains Thumper <hpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:13:55 +0100 (CET)
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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:8298128.1pMDT2oGSE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: 

> __/ [ High Plains Thumper ] on Saturday 20 January 2007
> 09:50 \__ 
> 
>> Mark Kent wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper espoused:
>>>
>>>> There are issues with OOXML, with compatibility with
>>>> standards and inclusion of proprietary formats making it
>>>> vendors specific.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps the best explanation is summarised in:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?s
>>>> to ry=20070117145745854
>>>> 
>>>> or http://tinyurl.com/2pkatq
>>> 
>>> For reference, the average ITU standard is probably in
>>> the < 100 pages region, so a standard which is 1500 pages
>>> long is extraordinarily long from where I'm sitting. 
>>> Erik's statement that it's *only* 1500 pages is one of
>>> the funniest things I've seen in years.
>> 
>> What it tells me is that the standard is too unwieldy,
>> will be difficult to implement.  Somehow me thinks that
>> most of it is encumbered with legaleese.
>> 
>> A number of municipalities and countries have already
>> selected open standards, to avoid vendor lock-in.  This
>> will have a tempering effect.  Perhaps we may see the only
>> country to use OOXML as US.
> 
> The number of countries and organisation that have chosen
> ODF is breathtaking (and growing by the day). Have a look
> at the OpenDocument Alliance Web site. 

The good thing about ODF is it is vendor independent.  This 
gives any producer whether open or proprietary an even footing 
to work from.

> Frantic acts to retain the 'monopoly enabler' are
> indication of what's happening. Even BECTA, which sleeps in
> the same bed as Microsft, has found OOXML unacceptable.

There are definite issues to OOXML:

http://soreeyes.org/

| Hiring Guillaume Portes
|
| Rob Weir?s How to hire Guillaume Portes is an excellent
| explanation of how self-serving Microsoft?s documentation
| of their Office Open XML file format is: 
|
|    It has been narrowly crafted to accommodate a single
|    vendor?s applications. Its extreme length (over 6,000
|    pages) stems from it having detailed every wart of MS
|    Office in an inextensible, inflexible manner. This is
|    not a specification; this is a DNA sequence. 
|
|    [Excerpts from the OOXML specification snipped]
|
|    Not only must an interoperable OOXML application support
|    Word 12?s style of spacing, but it must also support a
|    different way of doing it in Word 95. And by the way,
|    Microsoft is not going to tell you how it was done in
|    Word 95, even though they are the only ones in a
|    position to do so. 
|
|    [More OOXML specifications snipped]
|
|    Again, in order to support OOXML fully, and provide
|    support for all those legacy documents, we need to
|    divine the behavior of exactly how Word 6.x
|    ?inappropriately? placed footnotes. The ?Standard? is no
|    help in telling us how to do this. In fact it recommends
|    that we don?t even try. However, Microsoft continues to
|    claim that the benefit of OOXML and the reason why it
|    deserves ISO approval is that it is the only format that
|    is 100% backwards compatible with the billions of legacy
|    documents. But how can this be true if the specification
|    merely enumerates compatibility attributes like this
|    without defining them? 
|
| Fascinating stuff.

-- 
HPT

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