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[News] IBM Says It's Dedicated to Open Source While Microsoft Goes the Other Way

  • Subject: [News] IBM Says It's Dedicated to Open Source While Microsoft Goes the Other Way
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:33:39 +0100
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • Organization: Netscape / schestowitz.com
  • User-agent: KNode/0.10.4
IBM zeroes in on Project Zero for Web 2.0 apps

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| REST and Atom form the basis of the service invocation model while JSON 
| (JavaScript Object Notation) and XML provide for data interchange. AJAX 
| (Asynchronous JavaScript and XML) is the model for a rich client in Zero. 
| Extensive scripting is supported.   
| 
| [...]
| 
| But he emphasized that IBM is in open source's corner.
| 
| "IBM remains committed to open source. Project Zero follows a commercial 
| software development effort, in much the same way as other commercial 
| offerings from IBM. [The] fact that Project Zero is based on a number of open 
| source technologies and that it represents such a significant investment on 
| top of these technologies speaks to IBM's commitment," McGee says.    
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20070706/tc_infoworld/90021


On the other hand...

Microsoft needs REST

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| Yaron Goland defended his Microsoft colleague, Dare Objasanjo, as a poor 
| sitting duck. He justifies the decision to scrap APP as tactical and not 
| strategic. He states: “We considered this option but the changes needed to 
| make APP work for our scenarios were so fundamental that it wasn’t clear if 
| the resulting protocol would still be APP… I also have to admit that I was 
| deathly afraid of the political implications of Microsoft messing around with 
| APP.” According to Goland, “we couldn’t figure out how to use APP without 
| putting an unacceptable implementation and performance burden on both our 
| customers and ourselves.”       
| 
| The implications for this APP vs. Web3S debate can potentially be enormous. 
| Just as we are on the brink of creating simple architectures that are 
| interoperable using simple standards, the industry risks splitting into 
| separate, incompatible camps again. It is probably no coincidence that we 
| have Microsoft on one side and Google, IBM and Sun on the other. This will be 
| a fundamental problem for enterprise customers if Microsoft extends this 
| strategy into any REST architectures that it introduces into the enterprise. 
| Any enterprise systems that expose their data using APP, which is likely in 
| the near future, will be incompatible with any Microsoft system that expose 
| their data with Web3S.         
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/Newton/?p=14

Microsoft absent from open standards movement around SOA

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| Now, a new series of SOA standards is headed to OASIS, ones that could 
| create a whole market segment around SOA common programmatic principles, 
| but Microsoft is nowhere in sight. The absence of Microsoft from the 
| Service Component Architecture (SCA), and its sibling Service Data 
| Objects (SDO), definitions process can mean one thing: Microsoft will 
| pursue its proprietary approach of baking pseudo-SOA into its 
| operating system stack as long as it can.
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/Gardner/?p=2483



Related:

Halloween Memo I Confirmed and Microsoft's History on Standards

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|  By the way, if you are by any chance trying to figure out Microsoft's policy 
|  toward standards, particularly in the context of ODF-EOXML, that same 
|  Microsoft page is revelatory, Microsoft's answer to what the memo meant when 
|  it said that Microsoft could extend standard protocols so as to deny 
|  Linux "entry into the market":    
|
|    Q: The first document talked about extending standard protocols as a way 
|    to "deny OSS projects entry into the market." What does this mean? 
|
|    A: To better serve customers, Microsoft needs to innovate above standard 
|    protocols. By innovating above the base protocol, we are able to deliver 
|    advanced functionality to users. An example of this is adding 
|    transactional support for DTC over HTTP. This would be a value-add and 
|    would in no way break the standard or undermine the concept of standards, 
|    of which Microsoft is a significant supporter. Yet it would allow us to 
|    solve a class of problems in value chain integration for our Web-based 
|    customers that are not solved by any public standard today. Microsoft 
|    recognizes that customers are not served by implementations that are 
|    different without adding value; we therefore support standards as the 
|    foundation on which further innovation can be based.          
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070127202224445 


Liberty Alliance, Microsoft discuss identity protocols

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| "We have finally put down the boxing gloves and are trying to figure
| out how to solve our customers' problems," said Roger Sullivan, the
| newly elected president of the Liberty Alliance and vice president
| of Oracle's identity management section.
| 
| The Liberty Alliance, whose participants include HP, Sun and IBM,
| backs the ID-Web Services Framework (ID-WSF), a set of protocols
| for Web services. Microsoft supports another set, WS-Star. 
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http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/011007-liberty-alliance-microsoft-discuss-identity.html?fsrc=rss-linux-news


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| [Microsoft:] ...we should take the lead in establishing a common
| approach to UI and to interoperability (of which OLE is only a part). Our
| efforts to date are focussed too much on our own apps, and only incidentally
| on the rest of the industry. We want to own these standards, so we should
| not participate in standards groups. Rather, we should call 'to me' to the
| industry and set a standard that works now and is for everyone's
| benefit. We are large enough that this can work.
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http://www.os2site.com/sw/info/comes/px09509.zip


Diverse technology usage could cause chaos?

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| Adoption of open source software platforms like Linux is on the rise 
| despite the government's refusal to officially endorse the technology 
| as other emerging markets have done. However, the government wants to 
| make clear in its national E-governance policy that "no compulsory 
| open source" does not mean "no unified document standards."
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http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/business/diverse-technology-usage-could-cause-chaos/285854
http://tinyurl.com/yo88va


FLOSS Weekly 14: Jeremy Allison of Samba

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| 'In the section of the interview from around 33m30s to 39m00 Jeremy
| Allison reports how he was told that the Microsoft team implementing
| SMB2 were ordered to "f**k with Samba".'
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http://www.twit.tv/floww14


Microsoft used undocumented Windows APIs - Iowa testimony

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| 'All I can say is holy API batman...I'm not kidding...we are talking
| about literally 500-800 APIs here, no joke,' he wrote.
| 
| Alepin had earlier claimed that Microsoft ran special demonstration
| programs whose sole purpose was to crash rival products and alleged
| that the company had subverted developers who used Microsoft's
| version of Java 'thinking they were developing multi-platform
| applications, but were actually developing Windows-specific
| applications'.
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http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/101947/microsoft-used-undocumented-windows-apis-iowa-testimony.html

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