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[News] [Rival] Microsoft Still Refuses to Reveal How Badly Screwed Their Customers Got

  • Subject: [News] [Rival] Microsoft Still Refuses to Reveal How Badly Screwed Their Customers Got
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:35:17 +0100
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • Organization: Netscape / schestowitz.com
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Microsoft dodge Xbox 360 failure rate quiz

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| The ECC has been involved with a please explain to Microsoft about 
| perceived failure rates of Xbox 360 hardware.  In a recent interview
| VP of Gaming and Xbox products group, Todd Holmdahl dances around 
| the questions.
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http://www.itwire.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12999&Itemid=1063

How are they allowed to just keep it secret? No wonder the EU got involved.
This isn't monopoly abuse. It's just abuse.


Related:

Anecdotal: Microsoft low on Xbox 360 coffins

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| For the most part, we've given up on reporting every single time 
| one of our colleagues in the gaming press has an Xbox 360 die on 
| them. Frankly, we'd be writing a piece every couple weeks. A 
| brilliant recent example was the Weekly Geek Show's Xbox 360, 
| which we covered, died again in late May. Exactly one month 
| and six days after being "repaired." But, like Peter Moore 
| asked of all of us, we shouldn't focus on the failure rate 
| of Xbox 360s, but on the service in repairing them. And so, 
| we have the story of Officer Craig Ravitch of the New York 
| Police Department.
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http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/06/anecdotal-microsoft-low-on-xbox-360-coffins/
http://tinyurl.com/28qx3b


European commission investigates XBOX 360 failures

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| It seems that Microsoft can't catch a break these days what with 
| Vista still failing miserably and apparently so are XBOX 360's.
| 
| [...]
| 
| There are upwards of 1,000 complaints from the Netherlands alone 
| which is going up every day. The commissioner not only wants 
| answers from Microsoft Europe but from other markets as well 
| and a bulleted list of all issues and problems known in 
| those markets.
`----

http://gamer.blorge.com/2007/06/01/european-commission-investigates-xbox-360-failures/


Gamers Say Microsoft Understates Xbox Problems

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| An insider from Electronic Arts, Inc. is saying that the failure rate
| of Microsoft's Xbox 360 gaming console is actually ten times higher than
| what Microsoft spokespeople have admitted.
| 
| Game Daily BIZ, a gaming industry publication, reported that the
| anonymous source tallied that of the 300 consoles EA has received,
| 30-50 percent of them have failed.
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http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/08/xbox_gamers02.html


Microsoft admits scratch problem with Xbox 360

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| There hasn't been much discussion on the fact that the problem exists
| by consumers, but untill now Microsoft has always somewhat denied the
| problem and never proposed a solution.
| 
| The Dutch television show Kassa, which deals with customer complaints,
| has been nagging Microsoft about this problem for several weeks, they
| did tests with Xbox360 setups and filmed (and proofed) that the Xbox360
| is indeed responsible for scratching game discs, when not moved, placed
| on a stable table and under the best possible conditions.
| 
| [...]
| 
| 
| The television show also reported that while this issue is now an issue
| in the Netherlands (it is also widely covered in regular news), it
| could become a global problem for Microsoft in the future. Therefore
| I would recommend anyone who is facing the same problem to contact
| their local Microsoft office and point them to this article.
`----

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/Microsoft-admits-scratch-problem-with-Xbox-360.html


Gears of War disc errors - why the hell is no one covering this?

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| So, we're all just 'unlucky' Mark? Thanks for that. I'm happy for you
| and your console, but what about us? Where are we supposed to turn to 
| for help and support? Microsoft wasn't very helpful (ref #102-379-2964)
| any of the times I've called them (I think it's up to three now for the
| same issue - perhaps I'll call again today and check on an update).
| 
| All I know is that if I see that dreaded error message again on my new
| 360 I am going to go absolutely ballistic!!!
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http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7626298&publicUserId=5551391


What is the real failure rate of the Xbox 360?

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| We asked Game, one of the largest console retailers in the UK. 
| "That's not information we're able to give out. It's commercially
| sensitive," it said. As for Microsoft, in the early days after the 
| console's 2005 launch it claimed that failure rates were no higher
| than an industry average of between 3% and 5%. That now seems
| wildly optimistic.
| 
| Last month, its vice-president of entertainment, Peter Moore,
| refused to answer the question, telling the Mercury News: "I 
| can't comment on failure rates." According to Moore, if someone 
| has a faulty console they should worry about the customer service.
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http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,2091221,00.html


360 failure rates at 61%?

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| Over at XBox 360 Gamer they have refused to buy Microsoft?s claimed
| 4-5% failure rates and instead opted to create their own poll which
| yielded shocking results. At the time of writing there have been
| 3780 submissions and 2355 comments resulting in claimed failure
| rates of 61%.
| 
| There is no avoiding the fact that there is likely to be a negative
| skew to the poll, angry gamers are more likely to vent than satisfied 
| gamers. That said 61% is a huge number and even if its half that 30%
| is a far cry from the 4-5% Microsoft would like us to believe.
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http://www.quicksavejunkie.com/2007/05/23/360-failure-rates-at-61/


Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against MS For Bricked 360s

,----[ Quote ]
| According to Gamespot, the suit seeks a minimum of $10 million in
| damages, depending on how MS decides to defend itself. 
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http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/law/class-action-lawsuit-filed-against-ms-for-bricked-360s-220250.php


Numerous Reports, November 30 Xbox 360 Update Is Bricking Consoles

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| Some consoles are being bricked by Thursday's dashboard update.
| Issues range from freezing, red ring of death and VGA adapterm
| alfunction. Microsoft isn't acknowledging the issue and billing
| $140 for repairs.
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http://digg.com/gaming_news/Numerous_Reports_November_30_Xbox_360_Update_Is_Bricking_Consoles


Update brick your 360? Speak up

,----[ Quote ]
| Since yesterday's update, there are numerous reports about 360s
| being bricked. Some people suspect that this is being done by
| Microsoft intentionally to stop modders and hackers. Xbox Scene
| thinks it has more to do with certain combinations of hardware
| and firmware.
`----

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2006/11/01/update-brick-your-360-speak-up/ 


Autoupdate killed my 360!

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| I was fine yesterday gaming with the VGA cable but after getting
| the autoupdate today, I get a black screen. Does Microsoft test
| these things? My connection to the TV didn't change yet its
| screwed. Thanks for nothing Microsoft.
`----

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=489979


Loot: Redmond, We Have a Problem, Or, What's Wrong With the Xbox 360

,----[ Quote ]
| At this point, Former becomes impassioned. That's not fair, he says;
| we always saw this as a long-term venture. To which we reply that we
| were talking about the original Xbox, and while other divisions of
| the company throw off more profits in a single quarter than the
| entire $5 billion or so lost in the home and entertainment division
|        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| to date, the fact remains that, as we take-our-word-for-it predicted,
| the Xbox group has been spectacularly unprofitable for Microsoft.
| Hence, our heretofore unpublished Vietnam analogy. The rest of the
| night is a blur, but we digress.
| 
| [...]
| 
| The worst case scenario for Microsoft, then, is one in which the Xbox
| 360's bid for the mass market is blocked by the Wii for the next two to
| three years, at which point the aging and underpowered Wii gives way
| to a cheaper-than-it-is-now PS3 with a selection of AAA titles that's
| far wider than what the PS3 has at the moment; new installments of
| Playstation's own popular and casual-leaning games; and a slew of
| new franchises from Sony's much-larger studio operation.
`----

http://ncroal.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=533168


XBox 360: Bill Still Doesn't Get It

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| Microsoft Knows Their Strategy is Broken - Finally
| 
| And how do I know this? Read these quotes from a recent Bloomberg 
| interview posted on spong.com 06/08/2007:
| 
| Microsoft has indicated that it plans to make a stronger play for the 
| casual market in order to expand its demographic.
`----

http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/070611/37919_id.html?.v=1


Rumor: Is Microsoft cheating their [Xbox 360] sales?

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| All in all, there are some sobering thoughts with very broad implications
| for any company if that were true. That being said, would you buy
| from Microsoft, or any other company for that matter, if they were
| cheating their sales?
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http://xbox360.qj.net/Rumor-Is-Microsoft-cheating-their-sales-/pg/49/aid/89595


Software Notebook: Microsoft's cash pile isn't what it used to be

,----[ Quote ]
| But Microsoft has taken a series of steps to reduce its cash
| balance. Specifically, by Microsoft's count, the company has
| paid out nearly $100 billion through dividends and repurchasing
| its own stock in the past five years.
`----

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/309852_software02.html

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