Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:31:13 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
Mozilla, Microsoft drawing sabers over next JavaScript
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Eich charged in turn that Microsoft's arguments are
self-serving. "At best, we have a fundamental conflict of
visions and technical values between the majority and the
minority," he wrote. "However, the obvious conflict of
interest between the standards-based web and proprietary
platforms advanced by Microsoft, and the rationales for
keeping the web's client-side programming language small
while the proprietary platforms rapidly evolve support for
large languages, does not help maintain the fiction that
only clashing high-level philosophies are involved here."
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http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;554904782;fp;2;fpid;1
For those who think that Linux users needn't keep an eye on
Microsoft... while it's trying to pressure and derail
everyone that questions the Monopoly off the Web.
Maybe you should actually investigate the situation before
making stupid comments. Eich seems to be deliberately
polarizing the community into a "us vs. microsoft" situation,
when the reality is much different.
Chris Wilson is saying that the changes being proposed for ES4
are too big and break too much compatibility to implement a
backwards compatible solution properly. In other words, it's
Mozilla that wants to "break" the web.
Chris says that if you want to change the language that much,
then a new language should be created so there are not
compatibility issues. He's not saying Microsoft should be the
one to create that language, just that a new language would
serve the legacy web comunity better than radically altering
EcmaScript.
Eich is invested in this. He isn't being reasonable.
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3361141
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May 31, 2004
Mozilla, Opera Join Forces For New W3C Proposal
By Sean Michael Kerner
UPDATED Two of Microsoft's rivals in the browser space have
joined forces on a standards proposal slated to be presented to a
W3C workshop.
The Mozilla Foundation and Opera Software collaborated on the
document, which represents their "consensus" opinion in the
context of standards for Web Applications, and Compound Documents.
The working document of the draft specification is titled Web
Forms 2.0 which is in its essence an extension of the way forms
are defined in the existing HTML 4.01 forms chapter, though it
will apply equally to XHTML (define) user agents as well. The
proposed specifications include new attributes, DOM (define)
interfaces and events for validation and dependency tracking as
well as XML form submission and initialization. The specification
also aims to document existing practices in the forms area that
have not yet been officially standardized.
"We consider Web Applications to be an important area that has
not been adequately served by existing technologies," the paper
stated in its opening paragraph. "There is a rising threat of
single-vendor solutions addressing this problem before jointly
developed specifications. To compete with other players in this
field, user agents with initial implementations of
jointly-developed specifications should ideally be shipping
before the end of the year 2004."
Ian Hickson of Opera Software, one of the authors, said he
believes it is important that both Mozilla and Opera support the
specification for a number of reasons, including interoperability.
"The whole point of standards is that they be supported by all
the vendors. If there is only one vendor that supports a
standard, it might as well be a proprietary standard," Hickson
told internetnews.com. "Proprietary technologies are not good for
authors and users, since they lock you in to one vendor."
Hickson predicts that if a backwards-compatible open-standards
alternative isn't created first, then 10 years from now the de
facto Web application standard will be Microsoft's Avalon and the
.NET framework. Microsoft will also be presenting an overview of
the Longhorn "Avalon" technology XAML (define) at the W3C
workshop as well.
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Mozilla (and Opera) are acting to keep standards open, which are
accessible to all.
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HPT
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