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[News] Microsoft/CompTIA Lobbyist Jan van den Beld on OOXML, ECMA and Getting Well Paid

  • Subject: [News] Microsoft/CompTIA Lobbyist Jan van den Beld on OOXML, ECMA and Getting Well Paid
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:04:59 +0100
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Multiple Standards according to ECMA

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| On a Microsoft event in Portugal, called TechDays 2008, ex-ECMA and now 
| CompTIA (Microsoft lobbyst group) member, Jan van den Beld explains how 
| multiple standards come to be on ECMA  
| 
| [...]
| 
| What does Jan van den Beld - former Secretary General of ECMA - have to say 
| about multiple standards? He seems to be puzzled himself! 
| 
| Quote from his presentation:
| 
| Q: Why do you want to have 5 [DVD related] formats? Do you still call that 
| standardization? 
| A: You are well paid. Shut up
| 
| Check out the video at 4:10 and amaze yourself!
| 
| This was on Microsoft Techdays 2008, in Portugal.
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-49659/multiple-standards-according-to-ecma

The commercial value of ISO privileged access

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| Jan van den Beld 'sents love letters' to the ISO system and leaches out 
| against parties who want to appeal. 
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-50865/the-commercial-value-of-iso-privileged-access


Related:

Return of the Living Dead - Brainless Attack on MoSTI - Part Deux!!!

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| I dont know what the attraction is, but somehow we all love the morbid 
| fascination of Zombies in action. First, Microsoft^H^H^H^H^HCompTIA hires Mr 
| Jan van der Beld, Ex-Ecma Secretary General, to fly all the way here in KL, 
| for an event supposedly about "good multiple standards".  There he challenges 
| us to find a better way to Fast Track large, immature vendor dependent 
| specifications. The answer is of course: "Don't do it." Later on that same 
| day, like a man possessed, he turns up at a PIKOM meeting only to rant and 
| thump tables.       
| 
| Then today, in our fantastic broadsheet turned tabloid "The New Straits 
| Times" features a "Comment" by our so called "cooler head" Datuk Dr Mohd 
| Ariffin Aton entitled "Walking the Talk on neutrality policy". If you've 
| forgotten about him, you may be forgiven, but he is or rather WAS the CEO if 
| SIRIM Bhd.     
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http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/03/return-of-the-l.html


Former ECMA Sec. Gen challenges ISO/BRM critics to create a better process

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| "If people say this whole ISO process is lousy, out of date and doesn't work 
| anymore or is broken, I challenge anybody to make a new worldwide process," 
| van den Beld told PC World while in Australia working for the Computing 
| Technology Industry Association.    
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http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1518565063


And the award goes to... (top 10 worst Ecma responses)

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| If there are awards to be given to categories of worst dispositions provided 
| by Ecma in response to comments by National Bodies for the OOXML balotting on 
| 2 September 2007, then the ODF Alliance's list of top 10 (plus 1 bonus!) is a 
| good one. The categories are:   
| 
|     10. Worst Ignored Request
|     9. Worst non-Answer
|     8. Worst use of XML
|     7. Worst Introduction of Security Holes
|     6. Worst 'Back Door' Tactic
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http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/02/and-the-award-g.html


Give us the password!

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| What is needed now is the public and unconditional access to the works of the 
| TC 45. What is needed now is for the Ecma to give the password to their page. 
| Give us the password!  
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http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2007/12/13/give-us-the-password/


A Peek Behind the Ecma OOXML Curtain

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| A particularly contentious issue has been whether Ecma is trying to make it 
| as easy as possible, or is trying to make it as difficult as possible while 
| still scoring PR points, for interested parties to view proposed dispositions  
| of comments, and whether it does, or does not, have the latitude under ISO 
| rules to be more transparent. The fairly opaque, and sometimes contradictory 
| nature of those rules, has not made the debate any easier, and gives rise to 
| the possibility of confusion, at best, and serious mistakes, at worst, as 
| Pamela Jones pointed out at Groklaw this morning.      
| 
| The result is that there will be very little real data available to the 
| general public until Ecma opens the curtains on January 19. And the import of 
| what little data does become available is usually the subject of instant 
| disagreement.   
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http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2007121304552774


Microsoft accused of stacking ISO committee

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| In a memo sent following his last meeting as head of the working group on 
| WG1, which is handling Microsoft’s application to make the Word format an ISO 
| standard as ECMA 376, outgoing Governor Martin Bryan (above), an expert on 
| SGML and XML, accused the company of stacking his group.   
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1777


Martin Bryan: we are getting “standardization by corporation”

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| A November informative report of Martin Bryan, Convenor, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 
| WG1 highlights the fallout of the ECMA-376 fast-track process for ISO. He 
| says he is 'glad to be retiring before the situation becomes impossible'  
| 
| [...]
| 
| In what is an astonishingly outspoken report, Martin Bryan, Convenor, ISO/IEC 
| JTC1/SC34 WG1 has given us insight into the total mess that Microsoft/ECMA 
| have caused during their scandalous, underhand and unremitting attempts to 
| get - what is a very poorly written specification {i.e. DIS 29500 aka OOXML, 
| AR} - approved as an ISO standard. …    
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-30107/martin-bryan:we-are-getting-standardization-by-corporation


Dysfunctional ISO - Courtesy of Microsoft

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2007/12/dysfunctional-iso-courtesy-of-microsoft.html

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