On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:35:17 -0600, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wozniak hates Open Sauce
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>>> In an interview with eWeek, Woz said that there are
>>>>>> always people who want things to be free and the
>>>>>> open-source movement starts with those sort of people.
>>>>>>
>>>>> `----
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/09/25/wozniak-hates-open-sauce
>>>>>
>>>> Wozniak is a visionary.
>>>>
>>>> You, Roy Schestowitz, are an idiot.
>>>
>>> Interesting that this poster attacks the OP rather than
>>> comment on the article posted. The very words spoken seem
>>> to serve as a self-indictment.
>>
>> This is COLA you idiot, there is no other way. Unless you post
>> 100 percent koolaid drenched *I love Linux and hate Windows*
>> messages, you will not be accepted.
>>
>> That's because you so called Linux advocates are nuts,
>> hypocrites and liars.
>
> Interesting spin, it reveals more about the character of this
> poster. It is also a poor justification of actions, as the
> charter of this newsgroup is, was, and always has been, "For
> discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
> systems." Rather odd is the hatred expressed toward advocates
> for support the charter.
>
>> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/2007/09/high-plains-thumper-liar.html
>>
>> The "High Plains Thumper" liar A worthless nym-shifting moron
>
> <SNIP>
>
> There is a difference between
>
> http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/
>
> and the trumped up gobshite in the poster's blogspot. Colatrolls
> blogspot speaks the truth.
>
>> who has also posted under all sorts of "nyms" such as Rafael
>
> Problem with this blogspot's assessment is that in order to post
> information, has to grossly distort, innuendo and lie in order to
> provide content. Rightly did the authors of
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>
> pen the following observations:
>
> [quote]
> 7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics
>
> This is a list of the disinformation tactics that the that
> the anti-Linux propagandists who post in COLA have been using.
> All of these tactics have been used in COLA by the anti-Linux
> propagandists against the Linux advocates and the rest of the
> COLA readership to further the cause of the anti-Linux
> propagandists. This list has been worded as though you are one of
> them, so that you can better see through their eyes how they think.
>
> [3.] Put your opponent off guard by insulting him. The liberal
> use of profanity and vulgarisms can be very effective,
> particularly when used against you more dignified opponents.
> Your experience as a school yard bully can be handy here.
>
> [6.] When your tactics are turned on you, call you opponents
> trolls. Do not accept the fact that by calling someone using
> your tactics a troll that makes you the real troll.
>
> 10. Refuse to admit your errors. Never ever admit your errors no
> matter how blatant they are. If you find no way out and have to
> admit that you are wrong, phrase it so that you can accuse your
> opponent of being wrong.
>
> 12. Blame your stupidity and lies on your opponent. Blame your
> own stupidity on the Linux advocate you are dealing with. Such
> as when you have made an unsupportable claim that suggest a list
> of details and your are asked to present your non-existent list
> reply with, "I don't have to list them for you; you aren't bright
> enough to know what you're missing by using X instead of a real
> Y, I'm not going to explain it to you." Then hope that nobody
> reading the thread realizes that your statement translates as, "I
> lack the knowledge or facts needed to counter your position or
> your position is too complete and accurate to be refuted. So, I
> will say things to sound superior to avoid admitting you are right."
>
> 13. Embarrass your opponent. Locate or create apparently
> embarrassing information or detail and utilize it out of all
> proportion-trying to create a scandal around it, to hijack a
> thread or drive everyone to distraction.
>
> 17. Don't substantiate your claims. Refuse to present evidence
> to support your invalid claims. Repeat your invalid claims and
> have your anti-Linux propagandist comrades do the same. Do the
> same for any invalid claims that you have notice your anti-Linux
> propagandists comrades make.
>
> 23. Lie. Lie, lie, lie, lie. If you do it often enough you may
> create the appearance of truth.
>
> 28. Start trolling threads. Start threads with subjects like
> "Linsux Sux", "Linux fonts are bad", etc. Manufacture false
> evidence to back up your claims when possible, but don't worry
> that that is not important. All that is important is that you
> consume the efforts and resources of Linux Advocate as they try
> to refute your trolling threads and that you scare the new and
> casual readership of COLA.
>
> 45. Criticize Linux Advocates but ignore anti-Linux propagandist
> transgressions. Always criticize the behavior of Linux
> Advocates, but, ignore the same and even worse transgressions are
> being committed by your fellow Trespassers.
>
> 46. Accept the claims of other anti-Linux propagandists as face
> value. Always treat other anti-Linux propagandist's statements
> as being true. Accept their interpretations without question,
> don't bother verifying their statements. If they claim something
> against a Linux advocate always side with the anti-Linux
> propagandists.
>
> 49. Restate the issues to support your preconceptions. If the
> issues being discussed in a thread are not exploitable by you for
> your purpose, restate the issues to support your ability to
> attack Linux Advocate opponent.
>
> 53. Use extortion to build an army. Use extortion against a
> group to generate an army of flunkies to do your bidding and do
> you fighting for you. Such as when things are not going the way
> you want in COLA, crosspost a threat in another newsgroup a
> thread of your intention of making thing miserable for them if
> they don't take up your battle for you. This is a dangerous
> tactic for you the anti-Linux propagandists. If they don't react
> the way you wanted them to, you will either have to forget it or
> you could carry our your threat. If you forget it, you will loose
> even more credibility. If you carry out your threat you will
> still loose credibility and you could open yourself up for
> reprisal from those your are hurting by carrying out your threat.
> Even if you do form your army, you will be held responsible for
> the results of their actions on your behalf. A recent case (as of
> this writing) of this tactic being used by a anti-Linux
> propagandists can be revived by reading the thread that resulted
> with the crossposting of Message-ID:
> ozub8.40974$Wf1.7452626@xxxxxxxxxxxxx to comp.os.linux.advocacy
> and comp.os.linux.misc.
> [/quote]
>
>> He is often taken to task for making ridiculous statements
>> that are grossly wrong. When confronted with facts that prove
>> him to be an idiot he resorts to childish posting where he
>> replies with some made up FAQ as if it proves something. All
>> it proves is that "High Plains Rafael" is simply one of the
>> dumbest linux advocates on the planet.
>
> The above statement is confirmation of observations penned in the
> official FAQ, particulary quoted above.
>
>> So have you figured out what gives you away every time with
>> your lame cnntp trolling efforts?
>
> Interesting statement, but holds very little water. I have not a
> clue who the "anonymous" anti-troll CNNTP poster is. It is
> plainly evident that this poster has neither a clue either,
> grasping at straws, creating false accusations.
>
>> I doubt it. You're not that intelligent.
>>
>> Now run along and service Roy Schestowitz.
>
> What is even more interesting is this poster's obsession with Mr.
> Schestowitz, posting gross exaggerations, half-truths, lies about
> him, as he does with other advocacy posters. It is not known why
> the posts exude much animosity. Mr. Schestowitz simply quoted an
> article from theinquirer.net. In return, a completely
> unwarranted ad hominen attack has been provided by this poster.
>
> Character of the poster reflected in his own statements, equating
> advocates with stupidity when he is totally clueless is a
> self-indictment.
>
> The following was penned 2,000 years ago. [WEB] Galatians 6:7
> states, "Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man
> sows, that will he also reap."
>
> In concept, it has been paraphrased as, "What goes around, comes
> around."
>
> It would not surprise me if a worse fate, even law enforcement or
> other authority were to visit this poster's doorstep or other
> action. There is a cost to all illegal actions. We have seen
> such actions by justices against the Microsoft corporation. The
> truth evidenced itself in publicly available documents from the
> court cases. Fines are for real. The truth cannot be suppressed.
>
> There is mercy in ceasing and desisting improprietous actions.
> However, at the rate this poster is going, there may not be the
> opportunity for that to evidence itself.
Microsoft ends 'unfair' contract
Microsoft has announced it is to ditch a controversial contracts provision under investigation in Japan.
The software giant's statement comes after Japanese fair trade officials raided its Tokyo offices on suspicion of violating anti-monopoly laws.
Microsoft said it would now be removing the contract detail which prevents computer firms from suing it for any use of their patented technology.
The Japanese Fair Trade Commission had said it was unfair and restrictive.
Microsoft is accused of making companies such as NEC, Hitachi and Sony, who want to pre-install its Windows software on their computers, sign away their right to sue, even if they find Microsoft has used their patent technology.
Continuing denial
In its statement Microsoft again denied any wrongdoing, but said it would be removing the contract provision for "customer satisfaction" reasons.
Unless Japanese companies agree to the (non-suing) clause, they cannot pre-install Windows in their computers
Japanese Fair Trade Commission spokesman
"Microsoft believes that the patent-related provision is lawful under Japanese, US and EU law," it said.
Microsoft spokesman Jim Desler said it had been intended to reduce litigation and was "narrow in scope".
The software giant also said the patent-related provision had been approved by European Union regulators and reviewed by anti-trust authorities in the US.
The Japanese watchdog said Microsoft was suspected of setting unfair conditions when giving licenses for Windows to Japanese computer makers.
Latest case
"Unless Japanese companies agree to the clause, they cannot pre-install Windows in their computers," he said.
It is not the first time the US software giant has been accused of abusing its monopoly on PC operating systems to push prices higher or harm rivals.
It faced allegations of unfair trading in 1998, in Japan, and it is in settlement negotiations with the European Commission, which has accused it of trying to stifle competition for multimedia players, by tying its Media Player programme to its Windows operating system.
RealNetworks is suing Microsoft over the same issue, accusing it of unfairly monopolising the growing market for digital music and video.
Microsoft has denied such allegations, insisting the market is competitive.
The company last year said it had settled 10 consumer class action suits in a number of US states at a total cost of $1.6bn. The legal cases accused Microsoft of using its dominant position in the market to overcharge for its software.
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