OOXML: An Obscured Business Suggestion & Microsoft Fined Again
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| Durasau didn't however endorse OOXML. He just says Microsoft has improved as
| to openness and should be given credit. You think the EU Commission might
| have something to do with that new "openness"? Let's credit the correct
| entity. I guess you saw that the EU Commission just fined Microsoft ...
|
| [...]
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| Microsoft's problem isn't technical or financial or a matter of skill. It's
| attitudinal. Microsoft, from what I see, doesn't want to be interoperable
| with the GPL, their principal competition, or with ODF unless someone forces
| them. And that's not a problem we can fix for them. If they desired true
| interoperability, not customer lock in, they'd embrace ODF and work out one
| standard we could all use, no matter what operating system we use. Think
| about the obvious goal of Microsoft's current patent strategy. It's the same
| song, to me. The GPL is being squeezed out, if Microsoft gets its way, and we
| all get squeezed for money whether we use Microsoft software or not.
|
| [...]
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| I'm tired of Microsoft's dirty tricks too, actually. Why can't Microsoft
| compete fairly, with decency? What place do smears have in a standards
| process? Did you read the News Picks item by Tim Bray on what Microsoft did
| to him and his wife years ago because he dared to support Netscape?
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080227031234460
Geneva, Day Two
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| After the BRM which ended exactly on time (gotta love the Swiss), I attended
| the cocktails arranged by ISO. The Open Forum Europe (OFE) event was
| re-scheduled to accommodate for this event. At 7pm, the OFE event started,
| and it was an excellent discussion by 4 luminaries of the Open Standards
| world; Bob Sutor (IBM), Håkon Lie (Opera), Andy Updegrove
| (StandardsConsortium.org) and Vint Cerf (father of the internet, and now
| Google). They all stressed the importance of true Open Standards (as some are
| more open than others), and how it will become more and more relevant as we
| move our lives online. Vint had the best line on this:
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| "Merely publishing your specification doesn't make it an open standard.
| It needs open participation to become an open standard and full
| implementation commitment by multiple independent vendors"
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http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/02/geneva-day-duo.html
Related:
Developer’s Beware: OOXML – IPR: Minding the Gaps and Why They Matter
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| Microsoft has a patent promise, the Open Specification Promise (OSP) and a
| Covenant Not to Sue, relating to OOXML. If you want to implement OOXML with
| confidence that you are not infringing on any intellectual property rights
| (IPR), these coverages are not adequate. They have gaps.
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http://www.odfalliance.org/resources/IssueBriefIPR.pdf
Interoperability the ELIZA way
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| * So, now I have an Ecma standard, but ISO doesn't like it
| > Come, come, elucidate your thoughts.
| *The open source zealots don't respect our standards
| > I'm not sure I understand you fully.
| * They are thieving communists who don't respect intellectual property
| > What do you think?
| * I think we should outlaw open source
| > Do you really think so?
| * Yes, otherwise there will be no more innovation
| > Why no?
| * Because without profit there is no incentive to innovate
| > Why no?
| * Without profit, no one would work
| > Why no?
| * What are you, some sort of communist?
| > Would you prefer if I were not some sort of communist?
| * Yes, better dead than red
| > I understand.
| * OK. So we need an ISO so we can continue innovation
| > Come, come, elucidate your thoughts.
| * An ISO allows us to sell the same old MS Office we always had with our
| monopolist's profit margin. That is how we ensure innovation.
| > What do you think?
| * I have a monopoly.
| > You have a monopoly?
| * Yes, otherwise we would not be able to claim innovation by having an ISO
| format that merely mimics a 10-year old legacy format.
| > I see.
|
| [...]
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| So, if anyone shows you interoperability, ask yourself whether both sides of
| the interaction actually fully understand the data that is being exchanged.
| If not, this is not really full interoperability. It is just an illusion.
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http://www.robweir.com/blog/2008/01/interoperability-eliza-way.html
IP Issues with OOXML (DIS 29500)
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| Out of all the free and open source licences which are available, there are
| two which are disproportionately chosen by FOSS developers when licensing
| their software. Those two are the GPL and the LGPL. Of these, the GPL is
| disproportionately favoured over the LGPL.* If there are issues with GPL
| implementations then there are IP issues with OOXML. Any assurance that
| excludes implementation under these licences is just cause for the FOSS
| community to voice concern.
|
| [...]
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| If there are issues with GPL implementations then there are IP issues with
| OOXML. Microsoft implicitly concedes there are issues with GPL
| implementations.
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http://brendanscott.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/ip-issues-with-ooxml-dis-29500/
By Metes and Bounds
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| But you might say, "Please Rob, you can't be serious. Who would try to get a
| patent on laying out a footnote? That just doesn't happen in the real world."
|
| But consider for Microsoft's patent application "Method and computer readable
| medium for laying out footnotes" (US20060156225A1). I'm not saying that
| application matches the above feature in the standard, but if it did, is
| there anyone who will argue that the Open Specification Promise would not
| apply in this case?
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http://www.robweir.com/blog/2008/02/by-metes-and-bounds.html
Defensive Patents, Other Fairy Tales
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| "Defensive patents" make as much sense as leaving a loaded gun around the
| house. Like a home robbery, it is more likely it will be used against the
| home owner then the intruder.
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http://krow.livejournal.com/578868.html
Microsoft patents by Brian Jones
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| For fun we just did a quick search of published US patent applications
| with "Brian Jones" as an author, and "Microsoft" as the assignee.
|
| [...]
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| Some of these, like the packing ones, seem to apply directly to OOXML. What
| isn't clear to us is why Microsoft would pursue patent protection for patents
| rights that their are promising that they won't assert over users of OOXML.
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-35323/microsoft-patents-by-brian-jones
Wishful Spinning
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| OOXML gets adopted. More and more projects are started. Let's see which of
| these would survive without funding. Meanwhile a spin factory sends out
| success stories that most bloggers find worthless to discuss. It is possible
| to get the Krauts on board that are supposed to review OOXML but would OOXML
| survive a review by the crowds?
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-35292/wishful-spinning
Digging in the Comments: Patents
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| Patent licensing is probably the most important aspect for all third parties
| that want to implement or use the Open XML specification. Unfortunately the
| Ballot Resolution Meeting cannot discuss these aspects because only technical
| and editorial issues would get resolved.
|
| [...]
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| When you have a patent which covers Open XML and you refuse to license it,
| the standard process gets stalled. Large companies in the standardization
| process are reluctant to use that nuke option. Given the ambush that the
| software patent practice means today it is quite possible that Open XML
| infringes a patent and all parties eventually have an obligation to license
| it.
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-31491/digging-in-the-comments:patents
Patent threat looms large over OOXML
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| "If OOXML goes through as an ISO standard, the IT industry, government and
| business will encumbered with a 6000-page specification peppered with
| potential patent liabilities" said NZOSS President Don Christie.
|
| "Patent threats have already been used to spread doubt amongst organisations
| keen to take advantage of the benefits of open source. No one knows whether
| such claims have any merit, but it is calculated to deter the development and
| use of open and alternative toolsets."
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http://nzoss.org.nz/node/179
Cyberlaw OOXML Seminar 14 December
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| However, this raises the issue - what assurance does a developer have that
| such a large specification is not the subject of third party patent claims?
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| The pedigree of the specification is certainly no reason for hope, Microsoft
| has been the target of third party patent claims for some time now including
| some high profile losses in patent suits. The fact that the specification has
| been developed behind closed doors and on a fast track means that there has
| been no adequate opportunity to evaluate the likelihood of third party patent
| claims against the specifications. The sheer size of the document suggests
| there will be at least a couple hiding in there somewhere.
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http://brendanscott.wordpress.com/2007/12/13/cyberlaw-ooxml-seminar-14-december/
ISO warned about possible patent violations of DIS29500 (aka OOXML)
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| I have just send the following email to ISO members (you can find some of
| their email addresses on the INCTIS website) to warn them about the possible
| patent ambush...
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http://jeremywang67.blogspot.com/2008/01/iso-warned-about-possible-patent.html
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