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[News] [Rival] Microsoft Makes Broken 'Interoperability' (an Insult to Office Rivals)

  • Subject: [News] [Rival] Microsoft Makes Broken 'Interoperability' (an Insult to Office Rivals)
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:13:15 +0000
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • Organization: Freelance
  • User-agent: KNode/0.10.4
First new principles, now an interoperability initiative for OOXML

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| Microsoft also announced this afternoon the release of the first 1.1 edition 
| of a stand-alone translator between ODF and OOXML documents. This project is 
| currently being hosted on SourceForge. BetaNews located the project, and 
| noted that only the command-line version of the translator has thus far been 
| upgraded to version 1.1.    
| 
| A check of the release notes show that many formatting features between Word 
| 2007 and ODF documents are lost in the translation, even for the 1.1 version. 
| Page background colors, background images for tables, variable font weight, 
| blinking text (a holdover from the MS-DOS era), text rotation, capitalized or 
| lower-case text as an applied format, embedded objects, and hidden sections 
| are among the 41 known formatting elements that the newest build of the 
| translator does not currently support.      
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http://www.betanews.com/article/First_new_principles_now_an_interoperability_initiative_for_OOXML/1204836253

Poor interoperability is in Microsoft's best interests, especially after the
March vote casting.

A “Word” on Document Interoperability

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| This document incompatibility shows it’s ugly side when you can’t open files 
| from other people using another piece of software.  This is why I do not 
| believe taking on a large task such as creating OOXML was really worth the 
| effort.  Creating a new document format in the face of another format 
| perfected for the job at hand, reinforced the beliefs of many that Microsoft 
| wants to control all of the standards they use.  Strangely enough, if they 
| had chosen to use ODF, it would have helped their ailing PR by showing people 
| that they are indeed interested in making document compatibility a true 
| focus.  That decision would most certainly be more consumer-friendly than 
| adding in the OOXML format, or a piece rather, into Office 2007, causing 
| confusion with consumers about whether or not others can read their 
| documents.           
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http://jonreagan.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/a-word-on-document-interoperability/

More useless throwaway from ISO:

OOXML Purdah Again 

http://www.adjb.net/index.php?entry=entry080310-094712


Related:

ISO Statement on the BRM: Public Stay Out

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| So much for an open standard. I have a question for the ISO. Have all prior 
| meetings been run like this? In the deepest shade you can find? You know they 
| have not, and I know they have not.  
| 
| So, how about letting us listen to audio of the meeting, so we can compare 
| claims now coming from all sides? There are so many different accounts, and 
| they don't all sync up. Given that this format, if accepted, will impact us 
| little people, not just a bunch of vendors, how about letting us in enough to 
| make it at least possible to figure out who is telling the truth?    
| 
| Hey, EU Commission. Did you know that there is reportedly audio made of the 
| BRM meeting?  
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http://homembit.com/2008/03/at-the-end-what-we-did-in-geneva.html


Probe into votes on Microsoft standard

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| The European Commission is investigating the process under which a key 
| Microsoft document format could be adopted as an industry standard - a move 
| that would carry significant commercial benefits for the software company.  
| 
| Officials at the European Commission's competition directorate have written 
| to members of the International Organisation for Standardisation, asking how 
| they prepared for votes in September and later this month on acceptance of 
| Microsoft's OOXML document format as a worldwide standard. Without ISO 
| acceptance, Microsoft could stand to lose business, particularly with 
| government clients, some of which are becoming increasingly keen to use only 
| ISO-certified software.      
| 
| The ISO process has been widely criticised, however, with some members of 
| national standards' bodies accusing Microsoft and its rivals of attempting to 
| influence the vote.  
| 
| Tim Bray, a member of the Canadian national standards body, called the 
| procedure "complete, utter, unadulterated bullshit" in a recent blog posting. 
| 
| [...]
| 
| In addition, in several countries, a large number of Microsoft partners 
| joined the national standards organisations just ahead of a vote on the issue 
| in September.  
| 
| [...]
| 
| Microsoft said it openly encouraged its partners to participate in the ISO 
| process, but was not funding any third parties doing so. The company said it 
| would cooperate with the European Commission's inquiry.   
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/88e570a2-ea56-11dc-b3c9-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1


The Art of Being Mugged

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| The four options presented were:
| 
|     * Option 1: Submitter's responses (Ecma's) are all automatically 
|       approved. 
|     * Option 2: Anything not discussed is not approved.
|     * Option 3: Neutral third-party (ITTF) decides which Ecma responses are 
|        accepted 
|     * Option 4: Voting (approve + disapprove) must be at least 9 votes. 
|       Abstentions not counted. 
| 
| We were told that these options are not in the Directives and that were are 
| given these choices because ITTF "needs to act in the best interests of the 
| IEC". I don't quite get it, but there appears to be some concern over what 
| the press would think if the BRM did not handle all of the comments. One NB 
| requested to speak and asked, "I wonder what the press would think about 
| arbitrarily changed procedures?". No response. I thought to myself, why 
| wasn't ITTF thinking about the 'best interests" of JTC1 when they allowed a 
| 6,045 page Fast Track submission, or ignored all those contradiction 
| submissions, or decided to schedule a 5-day BRM to handle 3,522 NB comments. 
| Isn't it a bit late to start worrying about what the press will think?         
| 
| We break for lunch.
| 
| After lunch and after more discussion, the meeting adopted a variation of 
| option 4, by removing the vote minimum. I believe in this vote the BRM and 
| ITTF exceeded its authority and violated the consensus principles described 
| in JTC1 Directives.   
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http://www.robweir.com/blog/2008/03/art-of-being-mugged.html

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