____/ Rick on Sunday 09 March 2008 22:38 : \____
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:10:03 -0400, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
>> Wow, a semi-original bit of prose from Roy. I'm amazed. Of course it's
>> full of inaccuracies, mistruths, and outright lies.. but at least he's
>> moved on to creating new content.
No, these are fragments of articles from the URLs cited.
>> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:45:25 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft held out pretty long in not accepting the tcp/ip networking
>>> protocol of the Internet. When the Internet took off without them, they
>>> were simply forced to follow.
>>
>> Microsoft included TCP/IP in the first version of Windows NT, in 1993.
>> Novell, Microsoft's leading networking competitor didn't include TCP/IP
>> until significantly later. What's more, Microsoft released a TCP/IP
>> stack for Windows 3.x in 1992 based on the same stack. This was several
>> years before "the internet took off".
>
> ... and where di Microsoft get "its" TCP stack from?
>
>>
>> But then, if you were a real journalist, you'd know that...
>>
>>> Such a situation does not apply to java.
>>
>> Duh. Java was released in 1995, the year after the internet "took off".
>>
>>> Where tcp/ip was established and supported by vendors of servers
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Are you suggesting Sun didn't
>> put TCP/IP in java?
>>
>>> - that Microsoft couldn’t yet deplace - java is a standard that is
>>> still to be developed and it doesn’t have the protection of an already
>>> existing and difficult to remove environment with very strong “network
>>> effects”.
>>
>> Java is *NOT* a standard. People like you keep pretending it is, but
>> it's not.
>>
>>> For this reason, to use their
>>> own words, Microsoft sought to “undermine”, “piss on” and “steal” the
>>> java language, just as they considered themselves to be engaged in a
>>> “jihad” against Netscape.
>>
>> In many ways, the ODF fight is an extension of the Java fight. Back
>> then, Sun was just itching for a fight with Microsoft, and they were
>> talking for months about how they were going to dig through Microsoft's
>> Java implementation with a fine tooth comb. In the end, they had to
>> deny Microsoft access to the validation suite in order to make sure
>> Microsoft couldn't pass it.
>>
>> These are the same dirty tricks they pulled in OASIS by pretending to
>> extend a welcoming invitation to Microsoft to work on ODF, while at the
>> same time making it clear that they would have no say in how ODF turned
>> out.
>
> So, you have a problem with people using Microsoft's tactics against
> Microsoft?
>
>>
>>> The destruction of any form of
>>> standards is a standing strategic rule in Redmond.
>>
>> Again, Roy. *JAVA IS NOT A STANDARD OF ANY KIND*, other than de-facto.
>
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