____/ Book of Job on Wednesday 21 May 2008 20:25 : \____
> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> news:1271837.9OVJTxAhiO@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>
>> ____/ Book of Job on Tuesday 20 May 2008 12:49 : \____
>>
>>> Linonut <linonut@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>> news:iIyYj.25280$C8.8937@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>>>
>>>> * Book of Job peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>
>>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>>>> news:8789399.0XtOS087F8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>>>>>
>>>>> *snip*
>>>>>> Pay up or become part of the 320,000,000-PC zombies fleet. You'll
>>>>>> probably become one either way because AV software is no longer
>>>>>> effective (Schneier publicly calls it "snake oil" now).
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting how, for all the claims you make and links you provide,
>>>>> you didn't provide anything to support *this* particular claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason? You are lying about what Schneier said. Indeed, he
>>>>> said just the opposite:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Antivirus is easy. Antivirus products actually work. They have for
>>>>> years. A lot of the software on [the Infosec] show floor is just
>>>>> snake oil, but antivirus does work. You should have an antivirus
>>>>> program."
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and I'll provide a link for *my* quote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
> <http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/144938/schneier_lots_
>>>>> of _security_software_is_snake_oil.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure you'll just claim it was a mistake, a result of posting
>>>>> too quickly without verifying. And yet, your mistake attributes
>>>>> the complete opposite meaning to what was said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Odd, that.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, you stopped your quote short. Here's the whole
>>>> paragraph:
>>>>
>>>> Schneier: Antivirus is easy. Antivirus products actually work.
>>>> They have for years. A lot of the software on this show floor is
>>>> just snake oil, but antivirus does work. You should have an
>>>> antivirus program. You should have it updated regularly. It
>>>> doesn't make you secure, but it gets that bottom layer of the
>>>> trivial stuff. That's why. It's not sufficient but it's certainly
>>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> I snipped what was unneccessary to prove Roy's quote false. Whether
>>> it's "sufficient" or only "gets that bottom layer" is irrelevant to
>>> the point I was trying to make. The point is that Roy misremembered
>>> (or down-right lied about) Schneier's statement to make it the exact
>>> *opposite* of what he actually said.
>>>
>>> Now, if you want to make the argument that antivirus by itself is not
>>> enough security, you won't get any argument from me. Security is far
>>> more comprehensive than just installing a piece of software and going
>>> on your merry way.
>>
>> Article's headline:
>>
>> "Schneier: Lots of Security Software Is 'snake Oil'"
>>
>> I wrote:
>>
>> "Schneier publicly calls it [AV software] "snake oil"
>> now"
>
> So out of all the stories you post excerpts from, this is the *one*
> where you just read the headline and nothing else? And then don't
> provide any backup for your claim until you're already called for your
> "mistake"? Forgive me if this doesn't ring true (especially when one
> considers all your past instances of lying, misleading statements).
>
>> Let it rest.
>
> I don't really think you're in a position to be making such demands.
>
>> You're being pedantic with the sole intention of mocking someone.
>
> First of all, it's not pedantic--look up the definition if you you don't
> understand why. Second, I'm not "mocking" anyone. I'm simply pointing
> out an inconsistency between what you claim Schneier said, and what
> Schneier *actually* said.
>
> The fact is, that even in your post, you don't even give a mea culpa.
> In fact, all you have done is attempt to justify your comment and try to
> place blame on someone else. Sorry, Roy, they're *your* words and *you*
> need to own up to them.
This was not intentional. This isn't a journal and I hardly even proofread, so
accuracy or pertinent things like quote+context+semantics+ambiguity is hard.
This is SUENET. It's a P2P forum... not a newspapers, not a book, not a
journal. I'm more careful when I write elsewhere.
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~~ Best of wishes
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