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____/ Mart van de Wege on Tuesday 06 January 2009 12:20 : \____
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> Erik Jan <Erik@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
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>> Mart van de Wege had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 05-01-09 17:20:
>>> Erik Jan <Erik@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
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>>>> Mart van de Wege had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 04-01-09 14:28:
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>>>>> Yes, even if they show Microsoft share dropping. Any statistics quoted
>>>>> should be assumed to be lies unless the source gives you access to the
>>>>> raw data and methodology used.
>>>>>
>>>> This is in contravention of all normal dialogue and a most important
>>>> juridical principle: Nobody needs to prove that what he says is true,
>>>> the other side must prove it is a lie. All one says is presumed to be
>>>> true unless proven otherwise.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't be stupid; this is science, not law. In science, he who states a
>>> thing must prove it.
>>>
>>> 'Lies, damned lies, and statistics' didn't come out of nowhere.
>>>
>>> Mart
>>>
>>
>> It is you who are stupid. All scientific accounts of investigations,
>> research or new theories are presumed to be truthful until corrected
>> or proven wrong. The presumption of truthfulness belongs to all
>> spheres of life.
>
> Sigh.
>
> No it damn well doesn't. As soon as a secondary source quotes
> statistics, the statistics must be presumed to be suspect unless you
> can verify it with the primary source, because statistics are so
> malleable, hence the old saw about the lies, damned lies and
> statistics. There is a reason that was coined so long ago.
>
> Assuming someone is lying when quoting statistics, until you can
> verify the data and/or the methodology yourself, is common sense.
>
> I've seen you other posts here. You don't appear to be stupid, so stop
> acting like it.
>
> Mart
Microsoft's history of poll-rigging, FWIW:
Windows Outstuffs Linux in Poll
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| Linux users are accusing the Microsoft-affiliated news site of tampering with
| the results of an online poll. They believe that the numbers were altered to
| ensure that a Microsoft-made system was chosen as the winner.
|
| [...]
|
| Reichard also notes that at some point during the poll Linux "magically" lost
| votes. "At one point Linux had 37 percent of 37,000, which works out to just
| over 14,000 votes. But when the voting reached 205,000, the poll showed Linux
| had 6 percent, which is only about 12,000 votes."
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http://web.archive.org/web/20010204214800/http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,38845,00.html
.Net vote rigging illustrates importance of Web services
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| By 21 December, more than two-thirds of the respondents (69.5 percent), said
| they planned to deliver some applications by Web services by the end of 2002,
| with a large majority of those (nearly half the total sample) planning to use
| Java. Only 21.5 percent said they planned to use Microsoft .Net -- less than
| the figure (23.5 percent) planning to use neither.
|
| But by the time the poll closed, on 5 January, the position had dramatically
| changed, with three quarters of voters claiming to be implementing .Net. This
| apparent sudden change of heart over the Christmas period appears to be the
| result of a concerted campaign within Microsoft.
|
| ZDNet UK logs reveal rather obvious vote rigging, and prove that it
| originated from within Microsoft:
|
| * A very high percentage of voters are from within the microsoft.com
| domain.
|
| * There is a very high incidence of people attempting to cast multiple
| votes, even though the poll script blocked out most attempts at multiple
| voting. The one that wins the prize made 228 attempts to vote. This
| person was from within the microsoft.com domain.
|
| * Several of the voters evidently followed a link contained in an email,
| the subject line of which ran: "PLEASE STOP AND VOTE FOR .NET!" We know
| this, because our logs include the Web address where visitors browsed
| from; when people click there from a Microsoft Exchange email message,
| Exchange helpfully gives us the subject line and username. The people who
| followed that link all had email addresses in the microsoft.com domain.
|
| * There is also clear evidence of automated voting, with scripts
| attempting to post multiple times.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20030207093330/http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2102244,00.html
Puppet countries leaves P membership
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| Microsoft Puppet countries are leaving the P membership. Lebanon, Turkey,
| Cyprus, and Trinidad & Tobago have already dropped out. All those countries
| voted Yes without comments to OOXML.
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-59702/puppet-countries-leaves-p-membership
Microsoft accused of stacking ISO committee
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| In a memo sent following his last meeting as head of the working group on
| WG1, which is handling Microsoft’s application to make the Word format an ISO
| standard as ECMA 376, outgoing Governor Martin Bryan (above), an expert on
| SGML and XML, accused the company of stacking his group.
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1777
Martin Bryan: we are getting “standardization by corporation”
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| A November informative report of Martin Bryan, Convenor, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34
| WG1 highlights the fallout of the ECMA-376 fast-track process for ISO. He
| says he is 'glad to be retiring before the situation becomes impossible'
|
| [...]
|
| In what is an astonishingly outspoken report, Martin Bryan, Convenor, ISO/IEC
| JTC1/SC34 WG1 has given us insight into the total mess that Microsoft/ECMA
| have caused during their scandalous, underhand and unremitting attempts to
| get - what is a very poorly written specification {i.e. DIS 29500 aka OOXML,
| AR} - approved as an ISO standard. …
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http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-30107/martin-bryan:we-are-getting-standardization-by-corporation
See Microsoft's "Evangelism is WAR" memos for validation.
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