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More on mono
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| Jo Shields posts a reply to Carla Schroder's invitation to Mono-proponents to
| set the record straight on why we should't resist mono in GNU/Linux.
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| On the surface, it looks like a balanced response and a lot of it makes
| sense. But Jo still fails to address concerns that I voiced over mono in the
| past and the old comparison to Wine pops up again.
|
| Now when I install Ubuntu and therefor Gnome, it does not pull in Wine at
| all. In fact, I've been running Ubuntu without wine for most of the past 5
| years. So killing wine would only affect people still locked in to certain
| windows programs and not have any effect of the Free Desktop by itself.
|
| In contrast, removing mono rips out F-Spot and Tomboy and even the
| Ubuntu-desktop meta-package. You see, Ubuntu uses a lot of mono-apps by
| default and even vanilla-Gnome includes Tomboy and as such, depends on mono.
| Yes, replacing Tomboy is easy, but what if Evolution also comes to depend on
| mono, or Nautilus or gnome-panel? Then ripping out mono means the end of the
| Gnome Desktop.
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http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/155
The Ubuntu/Mono debate continues…
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| My perspective on the Mono thing is from that of a user and not a developer.
| I really fail to see why anyone would want to build new applications on top
| of a framework that has so many unanswered questions and causes so much angst
| in the community as a whole. We have plenty of other solutions that are – if
| not 100% free from controversy – certainly far less likely to end up
| requiring the kind of backtracking or complete re-writing that Jo describes
| above.
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http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/06/12/the-ubuntumono-debate-continues/
Is mono a problem outside the US and other patent friendly countries?
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| As Canonical is based in the EU this should not give the Ubuntu community any
| issue by itself. So keep any patent related problem for United-States based
| distributions and leave Ubuntu alone. Or move to a country that enforces your
| freedom all-day-every-day!
|
| While working with Egil (aka redhog aka
| representing-the-Pirate-party-in-Norway-colleague) in the iFolder packaging
| for Ubuntu I have seen the DRMish “safety computing” signing issue with
| dynamic linking to be a bigger problem than any patent issue that mono may
| represent, at least in our jurisdiction (Norway).
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http://huayra.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/is-mono-a-problem-outside-the-us-and-other-patent-friendly-countries/
Mono v. Vala: Fight!
http://jacob.peddicord.net/blog/2009/06/12/mono-v-vala-fight/
Mono in the default install?
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| For those who haven’t been following closely, the explanation behind Jo
| Shields’ recent post instructing us on the greatness of Mono and the
| Microsoft .NET approach to software development could be found in the fact
| that Josselin Mouette has decided that Mono must be part of the default
| desktop install for Debian Squeeze.
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http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/mono-in-the-default-install/
Mono Part of Debian's Default Desktop Install?
http://www.osnews.com/story/21660/Mono_Part_of_Debian_s_Default_Desktop_Install_
Recent:
Ubuntu censoring rap
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| In fact they even not care of providing a place for discussion to happen.
| Ubuntu does not care about Mono issues. It’s not that people are not allowed
| to talk. It’s that every place they find is the wrong place. There’s no such
| place inside the Ubuntu community facilities.
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http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ubuntu-censoring-rap/
Mono Tools for Visual Studio Preview Released
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| Mono Tools for Visual Studio have been released to a limited number of
| developers for a closed preview cycle.
|
| This first release of the Mono tools integrates four major pieces of new
| functionality into Visual Studio...
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http://www.mono-project.com/news/archive/2009/Jun-08.html
Strip Mono from Ubuntu and prevent it to come back
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| Really. This stuff is bloody serious, I mean.. will remove f-spot! And other
| stuff. You could also not be able to have sex with more than a partner at
| time anymore. Use it with care. I also won’t able to give you support to any
| issue you may experience.
|
| The day it will require you to remove the whole gnome, instead, you’ll know
| we’re in big troubles.
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http://www.stefanoforenza.com/remove-mono-from-ubuntu/
Gnote 0.4.0
http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2009/05/27/670-gnote-040
Striking the Right Gnote
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| Not that Figuiere is a Mono advocate. But his opposition over the years has
| been more practical than philosophical. For instance, in several discussion
| threads about Including Mono in GNOME on the desktop-devel-list in July 2006,
| Figuiere objected to shipping Mono-based apps on the grounds that the
| language required a lot of disk space, but was supporting only minor
| applications -- and he made the same objection to Python, a far less
| contentious programming language.
|
| This objection, incidentally, is one that he continues to hold today. Gnote,
| he tells me, "has all to do with the burden of carrying runtime systems
| designed to make the programmer's life easier (but not the users'). Had
| Tomboy been written in Python, it would have gotten the same treatment."
|
| Of course, Figuiere might have soured on Mono after being laid off at Novell
| in February. But, if he did, it would be strange if he continued to use what
| he describes as an "openSUSE 11.1 custom build with SUSE Studio with some
| custom packages" -- free software versions of Novell's own products.
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http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3822091/Striking-the-Right-Gnote.htm
Getting to know Gnote
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| What is a big deal is that Gnote does what I need it to do. The controvery
| surrounding it be hanged (and you can use your favourite search engine to
| learn about the controversy). I like Gnote. It’s useful. And until something
| better comes along, it’s going to be my note application of choice
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http://scottnesbitt.net/ubuntublog/?p=444
The elusive, royalty-free patent licence for Mono
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| How difficult or easy is it to obtain one of the much-touted "royalty-free,
| reasonable and non-discriminatory" licences for Microsoft patents that are
| part of a technology like Mono?
|
| Judging by the frequency with which references are made to such licences by
| those who back Novell vice-president Miguel de Icaza's bid to create an open
| source clone of Microsoft's .NET development environment, it's surprising
| that no-one has ever ventured to test this claim.
|
| The idea of trying to find out what was involved arose after reading a nearly
| nine-month old, well-written post defending the use of Mono and mocking its
| detractors. The author, Jo Shields, is a Debian developer and works for
| Oxford University.
|
| [...]
|
| He replied two days later, pointing out, "Ecma does not have anything to do
| with possible licensing of .NET. But Microsoft is one of our members, so I
| have asked them whom to contact there – if anything is needed, what I just do
| not know."
|
| Dr Sebestyn added: "My contact at Microsoft said that you should contact
| Peggy Moloney there, who would be able to help you."
|
| I wrote to Ms Moloney on April 28, asking for the same information: "I
| understand that the terms of the licences to the patents which Microsoft
| holds on the .NET development platform permit people to obtain a
| royalty-free, reasonable and non-discriminatory licence to use them. I would
| be grateful if you let me know exactly how one obtains such a licence."
|
| I also asked her about the variance in the terms for the licensing of
| Moonlight, a clone of Microsoft's Silverlight, using which the company hopes
| to capture the market that is dominated by Adobe's Flash. De Icaza is behind
| this project as well.
|
|
| [...]
|
| There's a been a deafening silence since then. There the matter stands after
| nearly a month. You would think that's a decent period for anyone to think
| things through and respond - if the intention of doing so exists.
|
| To me, it looks this licence is as real as the unicorn. Or maybe Santa Claus.
| I think Mono fans need to think of a fresh defence when people talk about the
| dangers of patent suits arising over this technology. The licence talk has
| worn more than a little thin.
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http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/
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