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[News] Jeremy Allison Recommends Moving Mono to "Restricted" Repositories

  • Subject: [News] Jeremy Allison Recommends Moving Mono to "Restricted" Repositories
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:59:35 +0100
  • Followup-to: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Monomania

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| But the problem is that Mono is dangerous for 
| Free Software. The heart of the matter is, as 
| usual, software patents. Microsoft have patents 
| on the technology inside .NET, and since the 
| Tom Tom lawsuit, Microsoft have shown they are 
| not averse to attacking Free Software using 
| patent infringement claims. Microsoft have 
| tried to allay some fears by putting the .NET 
| specification under their "Microsoft Community 
| Promise" which you can read here:
| 
| http://www.microsoft.com/interop/cp/default.mspx
| 
| Miguel hailed this a the solution to all the 
| patent problems with Mono. But this promise is 
| simply not good enough to base a language 
| environment implementation upon. After all, if 
| the rug is pulled out from under that 
| implementation by the threat of patent 
| infringement you don't just lose the 
| implementation itself, you lose all the 
| programs that depend upon it. That's a really 
| dangerous situation for Free Software programs 
| to be in. The Free Software Foundation wrote a 
| good analysis of the problems with this promise 
| here:
| 
| http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-07-mscp-mono
| 
| But my basic issue with the Microsoft Community 
| Promise is that Miguel doesn't have to depend 
| on it like everyone else does. Miguel's 
| employer, Novell, has a patent agreement with 
| Microsoft that exempts Mono users from 
| Microsoft patent aggression, so long as you get 
| Mono from Novell. 
| 
| [...]
| 
| Microsoft isn't playing games any more by 
| merely threatening to assert patents. Real 
| lawsuits have now occurred and the gloves are 
| off against Free Software. Moving Mono and its 
| applications to the "restricted" repositories 
| is now just plain common sense.
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http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/299

Mono is a trap â evidence

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| Still arenât convinced that Mono is a trap 
| which ultimately only benefits Microsoft?
| 
| Take a look at this âHighly Confidentialâ 
| document from Microsoft (from Comes vs 
| Microsoft case) entitled âEffective Evangelismâ 
| and decide for yourself. It exposes Microsoftâs 
| game plan for dominating the market with their 
| platforms (which we already know, but some 
| choose to ignore).
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http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/10/15/mono-is-a-trap-evidence/


Recent:

Miguel snuggles closer to Microsoft

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| De Icaza himself has no qualms about pointing
| out that he was kicked off the board of the FSF
| for "refusing to be an active part" in what he
| says was a campaign to rename Linux as
| GNU/Linux. This sits somewhat at variance with
| the glowing descrption of him as an open source
| advocate but never mind.
|
| [...]
|
| The CodePlex Foundation is a commercial entity.
| The board, set up under the non-profit rules of
| Washington State, has complete control over the
| foundation and is also self-perpetuating,
| according to a detailed analysis by Andy
| Updegrove.
|
| The motives of the foundation are pretty clear:
| to enable "the exchange of code and
| understanding among software companies and open
| source communities."
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http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27785/1090/1/1/


The H Gives Mono a Health Check

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| Next, it reinforces the point that Mr. de Icaza was totally serious back when
| he said that âGnome 4.0 should be based on .NETâ â thatâs exactly what he
| thought then, and exactly what he thinks now. Itâs dressed up a bit in
| pseudo-technical rhetoric, but the underlying desire is the same.
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http://mono-nono.com/2009/08/21/the-h-gives-mono-a-health-check/


Health Check: Mono - Too much monkey business?

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| This stance has been countered to some degree by Microsoft's Community
| Promise, but doubts remain as to what is actually covered, and de Icaza
| concedes as much. "In the next few months," he wrote, "we will be working
| towards splitting the jumbo Mono source code that includes ECMA + A lot more
| into two separate source code distributions. One will be ECMA, the other will
| contain our implementation of ASP.NET, ADO.NET, Winforms and others." In
| theory, the core components of Mono and the Mono development stack for Gnome
| are covered by the Community Promise. The elements that provide compatibility
| with Windows are not.
|
| From the beginning Mono has been beset by misunderstandings, misconceptions
| and political ineptitude, not least by Novell, de Icaza's employer, which
| allowed Microsoft to insert patent indemnification into its commercial
| agreement of 2006, souring its relationship with the free software community
| and giving Microsoft grounds for suggesting, without substantiation, that
| GNU/Linux and other free software infringed Microsoft patents - and by
| Microsoft's ongoing ambivalence towards free and open source software within
| its own halls.
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http://www.h-online.com/open/Health-Check-Mono--/features/114041/0


Pro-mono Zealotry

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| What this does illustrate, I think, is something that is already obvious to
| anyone that has been following the Mono controversy: there are people that
| are just as âextremeâ and unwilling to listen to reason as the most zealoty
| charactertures painted by the Broad Brush of the Most High and (Self)
| Righteous Community Gatekeepers.
|
| You can spot these people by the mindless regurgitation of other peopleâs
| talking points and the inability to make even the slightest concession to any
| opposing argument; the gleeful participation in any manner of attack or
| disinformation; the uncritical embrace of  anyone or anything that supports
| thier position. A sure sign is charging the opposition with the very crimes
| they themselves are in the act of commiting.
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http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/30/pro-mono-zealotry/
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