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[News] The H Looks at the Microsoft Disease for GNU/Linux, Moonlight

  • Subject: [News] The H Looks at the Microsoft Disease for GNU/Linux, Moonlight
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:07:55 +0000
  • Followup-to: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Health Check: Moonlight

,----[ Quote ]
| Both Mono and Moonlight are based on 
| technologies developed by Microsoft to 
| compete with and to replace technologies 
| developed elsewhere. Mono is an open 
| source re-implementation of the .NET 
| framework which was intended to displace 
| Java. Moonlight is an open source re-
| implementation of Silverlight which is 
| intended to replace Flash as the popular 
| vehicle for online advertising and video.
| [...]
| The problem with Moonlight (and Mono) for 
| most advocates of free software is quite 
| simple. Silverlight/Moonlight is intended 
| to replace existing Web technology with 
| another set of proprietary codecs and 
| protocols, and Moonlight, like Mono, is 
| patent encumbered. Patents and copyrights 
| can be applied to the underlying 
| technologies and to the codecs which are 
| used to translate bits and bytes into 
| viewable media. Patents, "de facto 
| standards", closed APIs and trade secrets 
| embedded in codecs, protocols and file 
| formats are an impediment to innovation, 
| interoperability, and the ability to 
| translate words, music or pictures into 
| meaningful images.
| [...]
| These misgivings apply equally to 
| Moonlight, exacerbated by de Icaza's hopes 
| and dreams that Moonlight, like Mono, will 
| become the universal framework for the 
| development of desktop applications on 
| Linux, Windows and MacOS.



More on the Moonlight Covenant

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| I have to admit I am surprised that the new
| covenant is so bad. I expected a new covenant
| â even Miguel de Icaza hinted that the old one
| was less-than-ideal (scathing criticism from
| him as far as Microsoft is concerned) â but
| what I was expecting was basically the old
| covenant with a restriction or two removed!
| Instead what we have is something that tries
| to look more âOpenâ, but is filled with
| Novell-Only anti-community language stronger
| than the previous version!



Flash isn't going open source, but it may already be more open than Moonlight

,----[ Quote ]
| On top of that, it's important to note that Moonlight isn't completely open.
| Like Flash, Moonlight makes use of third-party codecs that are closed.
| Want more good news? Microsoft only "covenants to not sue" over Moonlight
| applications that utilize it 1) as an in-browser plugin 2) on a personal
| computer and 3) aren't licensed as GPLv3 or a "similar license." The icing on
| the cake? That protection only applies to Novell and its subsidiaries - so
| your independent app wouldn't count, unless Novell owns 50% of you.
| Adobe, on the other hand, grants full patent use to anyone who builds
| anything with Flash. So while you can develop and sell whatever the heck you
| want using the technologies that power Flash and Adobe will post about it on
| their Twitter account, developing with Moonlight could result in nasty legal
| proceedings.
| So which platform is really more "open?" Flash or Moonlight?


Things to Avoid on Ubuntu

,----[ Quote ]
| Moonlight
| This is Linux port of Microsoft sliverlight apparently designed to compete
| with adobe flash. Silver light doesn't offer anything new that's not already
| offered by adobe flash.
| Linux distros previously included some of the technologies that were
| controversial because they were widespread and to make interoperability easy
| for new users. We don't need this turd and it's not widespread.
| Mono
| Here comes another patent covered piece of junk aggressively pushed by
| Novell.


Patent suit tells us why we should shun Mono, Moonlight

,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft has shown the world exactly how friendly it is towards open source
| by going to court to claim damages over patents which have been allegedly
| violated in an implementation of the Linux kernel. And that's a good reason
| why FOSS users should avoid Mono and Moonlight like the plague.
| [...]
| He was then asked by Mozilla engineering vice-president Mike Schroepfer
| whether there would be the same protection if one downloaded and then
| distributed the code for Moonlight
| "There is a patent covenant for anyone that downloads [Moonlight] from
| Novell," he answered and was then forced to admit that "as to extending the
| patents to third parties - you have to talk to Microsoft."
| That's exactly what Microsoft was saying to TomTom before it sued the GPS
| maker on Wednesday - talk to us and sign a licensing deal. Is that what FOSS
| users want to do - pay royalties for using software?


Mono, The Road To Hell: Final Proof

,----[ Quote ]
| This is a Microsoft-branded piece of shit.
| Now, if there are still Linux users still loving Mono, and still believing
| they have anything in common with FREEDOM & Open Source, they're idiots like
| hell.
| Proofs of MALA FIDE from Microsoft's part:
|  1. NOBODY interested in a good-faith patent protection would restrict the
|  protection to the downstream recipients of a UNIQUE source â but this is
|  what Microsoft is doing!
|  2. NOBODY interested in a good-faith patent protection would restrict the
|  protection to the UNMODIFIED AND USED "AS INTENDED" ("for the intended
|  purpose") for an OPEN-SOURCE project â but this is what Microsoft is doing!
|  3. NOBODY interested in a good-faith patent protection would restrict the
|  protection in any ways. Simply imposing restrictions means WHATEVER FALLS
| Yes, this is Microsoft. Yes, this covenant is ONLY and ONLY for the benefit
| of Novell's SLED and SLES, and for the benefit of openSUSE. This is for
| people to ONLY consider openSUSE as a "safe" Linux way to use Moonlight and
| Mono, and therefore to increase the penetration of SLED/SLES as "the" Linux
| for the Enterprise.
| This is the abjection of the Microsoft-Novell fascist conspiracy.
| Have a nice day.


Shining Some Light on Microsoft's Moonlight Covenant

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| My conclusion now, after having reviewed it, is the same as I predicted. This
| is worthless and potentially harmful vapor-speak.


Is .NET on GNU/Linux a Trojan Horse?

,----[ Quote ]
| There were two basic propositions in my mind on how could they hurt Free
| Software.
|     * 1. Copyright threat? -- If Mono stuff is under a Free Software
|          license, once Microsoft or Novell change the licensing terms
|          over the Free .NET implementation we can just fork away. This
|          is where my trust into Free Software licenses comes into play.
|     * 2. Software patents threat? -- Nothing new, there is patent
|          saber rattling already and no software is safe from patents anyway.

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