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Health Check: Moonlight
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| Both Mono and Moonlight are based on
| technologies developed by Microsoft to
| compete with and to replace technologies
| developed elsewhere. Mono is an open
| source re-implementation of the .NET
| framework which was intended to displace
| Java. Moonlight is an open source re-
| implementation of Silverlight which is
| intended to replace Flash as the popular
| vehicle for online advertising and video.
|
| [...]
|
| The problem with Moonlight (and Mono) for
| most advocates of free software is quite
| simple. Silverlight/Moonlight is intended
| to replace existing Web technology with
| another set of proprietary codecs and
| protocols, and Moonlight, like Mono, is
| patent encumbered. Patents and copyrights
| can be applied to the underlying
| technologies and to the codecs which are
| used to translate bits and bytes into
| viewable media. Patents, "de facto
| standards", closed APIs and trade secrets
| embedded in codecs, protocols and file
| formats are an impediment to innovation,
| interoperability, and the ability to
| translate words, music or pictures into
| meaningful images.
|
| [...]
|
| These misgivings apply equally to
| Moonlight, exacerbated by de Icaza's hopes
| and dreams that Moonlight, like Mono, will
| become the universal framework for the
| development of desktop applications on
| Linux, Windows and MacOS.
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http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Health-Check-Moonlight-904464.html
Recent:
More on the Moonlight Covenant
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| I have to admit I am surprised that the new
| covenant is so bad. I expected a new covenant
| â even Miguel de Icaza hinted that the old one
| was less-than-ideal (scathing criticism from
| him as far as Microsoft is concerned) â but
| what I was expecting was basically the old
| covenant with a restriction or two removed!
|
| Instead what we have is something that tries
| to look more âOpenâ, but is filled with
| Novell-Only anti-community language stronger
| than the previous version!
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http://www.the-source.com/2009/12/more-on-the-moonlight-covenant/
Related:
Flash isn't going open source, but it may already be more open than Moonlight
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| On top of that, it's important to note that Moonlight isn't completely open.
| Like Flash, Moonlight makes use of third-party codecs that are closed.
|
| Want more good news? Microsoft only "covenants to not sue" over Moonlight
| applications that utilize it 1) as an in-browser plugin 2) on a personal
| computer and 3) aren't licensed as GPLv3 or a "similar license." The icing on
| the cake? That protection only applies to Novell and its subsidiaries - so
| your independent app wouldn't count, unless Novell owns 50% of you.
|
| Adobe, on the other hand, grants full patent use to anyone who builds
| anything with Flash. So while you can develop and sell whatever the heck you
| want using the technologies that power Flash and Adobe will post about it on
| their Twitter account, developing with Moonlight could result in nasty legal
| proceedings.
|
| So which platform is really more "open?" Flash or Moonlight?
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http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/05/19/flash-isnt-going-open-source-but-it-may-already-be-more-open-t/
Things to Avoid on Ubuntu
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| Moonlight
|
| This is Linux port of Microsoft sliverlight apparently designed to compete
| with adobe flash. Silver light doesn't offer anything new that's not already
| offered by adobe flash.
|
| Linux distros previously included some of the technologies that were
| controversial because they were widespread and to make interoperability easy
| for new users. We don't need this turd and it's not widespread.
| Mono
|
| Here comes another patent covered piece of junk aggressively pushed by
| Novell.
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http://ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2009/04/things-to-avoid-on-ubuntu.html
Patent suit tells us why we should shun Mono, Moonlight
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| Microsoft has shown the world exactly how friendly it is towards open source
| by going to court to claim damages over patents which have been allegedly
| violated in an implementation of the Linux kernel. And that's a good reason
| why FOSS users should avoid Mono and Moonlight like the plague.
|
| [...]
|
| He was then asked by Mozilla engineering vice-president Mike Schroepfer
| whether there would be the same protection if one downloaded and then
| distributed the code for Moonlight
|
| "There is a patent covenant for anyone that downloads [Moonlight] from
| Novell," he answered and was then forced to admit that "as to extending the
| patents to third parties - you have to talk to Microsoft."
|
| That's exactly what Microsoft was saying to TomTom before it sued the GPS
| maker on Wednesday - talk to us and sign a licensing deal. Is that what FOSS
| users want to do - pay royalties for using software?
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http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23501/1090/
Mono, The Road To Hell: Final Proof
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| This is a Microsoft-branded piece of shit.
|
| Now, if there are still Linux users still loving Mono, and still believing
| they have anything in common with FREEDOM & Open Source, they're idiots like
| hell.
|
| Proofs of MALA FIDE from Microsoft's part:
|
| 1. NOBODY interested in a good-faith patent protection would restrict the
| protection to the downstream recipients of a UNIQUE source â but this is
| what Microsoft is doing!
|
| 2. NOBODY interested in a good-faith patent protection would restrict the
| protection to the UNMODIFIED AND USED "AS INTENDED" ("for the intended
| purpose") for an OPEN-SOURCE project â but this is what Microsoft is doing!
|
| 3. NOBODY interested in a good-faith patent protection would restrict the
| protection in any ways. Simply imposing restrictions means WHATEVER FALLS
| OUTSIDE THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS IS SUBJECT TO FEAR, UNCERTAINTY AND DOUBT!
|
| Yes, this is Microsoft. Yes, this covenant is ONLY and ONLY for the benefit
| of Novell's SLED and SLES, and for the benefit of openSUSE. This is for
| people to ONLY consider openSUSE as a "safe" Linux way to use Moonlight and
| Mono, and therefore to increase the penetration of SLED/SLES as "the" Linux
| for the Enterprise.
|
| This is the abjection of the Microsoft-Novell fascist conspiracy.
|
| Have a nice day.
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http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/05/29/17/08/18-mono-the-road-to-hell-final-proo
Shining Some Light on Microsoft's Moonlight Covenant
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| My conclusion now, after having reviewed it, is the same as I predicted. This
| is worthless and potentially harmful vapor-speak.
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080528133529454
Is .NET on GNU/Linux a Trojan Horse?
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| There were two basic propositions in my mind on how could they hurt Free
| Software.
|
| * 1. Copyright threat? -- If Mono stuff is under a Free Software
| license, once Microsoft or Novell change the licensing terms
| over the Free .NET implementation we can just fork away. This
| is where my trust into Free Software licenses comes into play.
| * 2. Software patents threat? -- Nothing new, there is patent
| saber rattling already and no software is safe from patents anyway.
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http://www.libervis.com/article/is_net_on_gnu_linux_a_trojan_horse
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