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[News] FSF Supports Google re Books; What the Case Teaches About Mono

  • Subject: [News] FSF Supports Google re Books; What the Case Teaches About Mono
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:51:07 +0000
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Free Software Foundation files new objection to amended Google Book Search settlement

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| The Free Software Foundation (FSF) filed 
| another objection in court to the proposed 
| amended Google Book Search settlement (The 
| Authors Guild, Inc., et al. v. Google 
| Inc.). The objection notes that proposed 
| amendments which discuss works under free 
| licenses unfairly burden their authors 
| with ensuring license compliance, and 
| urges the court to reject the proposed 
| settlement unless it incorporates terms 
| that better address the needs of authors 
| using free licenses like the GNU Free 
| Documentation License (GFDL).

The Google Books Settlement Culture Clash, and What About Fair Use? 

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| That's the dream of more than book 
| publishers. Here's an exhibit from the 
| Comes v. Microsoft antitrust case of a few 
| years back, Exhibit 3590 [PDF]. It's a 
| discussion in 1994 with Bill Gates and his 
| executives about the Internet, and it 
| includes an email from Nathan Myhrvold on 
| how Microsoft could in time take over 
| control of the Internet.
| [...]
| Old-fashioned copyright owners want the 
| Internet to cut it out and be about them 
| feeding us content and we sit back and 
| just consume what they send us. After we 
| pay. And agree to DRM.
| Of course, it's funny, what Myhrvold 
| wrote, in that they totally missed the 
| boat about the Internet, and about Linux, 
| but that's a good thing. They probably 
| could have killed Linux early on, had they 
| tried. Their arrogance has cost them. It's 
| too late now, hopefully, to just crush it, 
| not that they haven't been trying. They'll 
| have to buy community members to sell out 
| and write their software to run on Windows 
| instead of Linux now one by one, if they 
| can find enough greedy types, and that 
| takes longer even in Microsoft's best case 
| scenario. 
| [...]
| I hope the EU Commission is reading 
| Groklaw at moments like this. The email is 
| from 1995, but didn't they do what he 
| suggested? I'm remembering the Microsoft 
| extensions to HTML. I'm also thinking 
| about OOXML. There's lots more in the 
| exhibit about their browser plans, but are 
| you thinking Silverlight? I am. Here's a 
| snip from one last exhibit, Exhibit 3589 
| [PDF], an email thread with a memo shared 
| with the top brass at Microsoft on how to 
| get the Internet away from open standards 
| bit by bit:
|     I recommend a recipe not unlike the 
|     one we've used with our TCP/IP 
|     efforts: embrace, extend, then 
|     innovate.
|     Phase I (Embrace): all participants 
|     need to establish a solid 
|     understanding of the infostructure and 
|     the community - determine the needs 
|     and the trends of the user base. Only 
|     then can we effectively enable 
|     Microsoft system products to be great 
|     Internet systems.
|     Phase II (Extend): establish 
|     relationships with the appropriate 
|     organizations and corporations with 
|     goals similar to ours. Offer well-
|     integrated tools and services 
|     compatible with established and 
|     popular standards that have been 
|     developed in the Internet community.
|     Phase 3 (Innovate): move into a 
|     leadership role with new Internet 
|     standards as appropriate, enable 
|     standard off-the-shelf titles with 
|     Internet awareness. Change the rules: 
|     Windows becomes the next-generation 
|     Internet tool of the future.
| Are you reading this Apache guys? Ubuntu 
| Mono freaks? In the "Potential Risks" 
| section on page 15:
|     Microsoft/Internet Culture Clash. - 
|     One of the biggest challenges facing 
|     Microsoft's success in the Internet 
|     community is acceptance and respect. 
|     Although we have an incredible amount 
|     of respect in the commercial software 
|     business, the Internet has been 
|     founded on public domain protocols and 
|     products which generally included 
|     source availability at no charge. It 
|     has been only recently that vendors 
|     have suggested profiting from the 
|     Internet by selling the browsing tools 
|     and technologies, and offering 
|     commercial services on the Internet 
|     itself. The information and software 
|     has been free for 15 years, we need to 
|     be careful to embrace the current 
|     technologies and community before we 
|     attempt to reshape it.
| Put 'Open Source' everywhere in that snip 
| where it says 'Internet' and you have the 
| picture. They pretend to be with you, 
| sharing goals, and then they win. If you 
| are stupid enough to fall for the "let's 
| be friends" part of their scheme.
| Their concept of the Internet is that it's 
| a strip mall. They want it to be *their* 
| strip mall.


"Ubuntu Mono freaks," she says.

Miguel de Icaza speaks

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| A couple of recent major milestones are:
| â Mono for the iPhone: the MonoTouch 
| products, a major effort to simplify 
| iPhone development and bring garbage 
| collection, type safety and all of the 
| features from .NET to iPhone developers.
| â We have also just released a plug-in to 
| Visual Studio that allows developers to 
| move their applications from Windows to 
| Linux, create RPM packages from Visual 
| Studio and even use our SUSEStudio.com 
| website to create full appliances from 
| their software projects.



Avoiding Mono

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| I do not use Mono because I believe it is
| not in our best interests. I chose Linux
| because it is an alternative. If I wanted
| Windows and .NET then I would choose that
| option. It is all about staying distinct
| and offering something different and
| better to my way of thinking. Getting
| Windows and .NET second hand is not what I
| want. You might not be surprised to find
| that I also donât use Wine for the same
| reason. Truthfully, I probably would not
| use Mono or Mono applications if its legal
| status was clear. I do not feel
| comfortable with giving Microsoft any
| leverage over us. The more Mono dependent
| we become the more we become subject to
| them and I did not get into Linux to be
| chasing after Microsoft and its standards.
| That is just me. I love independence. Each
| person must decide for him or herself.


NOME in .NET? â Not on my desktop!

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| I believe the weapon of Mono is to âget Linux users hookedâ to the .net
| environment, always offering the superior and more mature version on the
| Windows platform.  Just like when you first tried alcohol you would probably
| start off on lighter products until you acquired a taste for it, progressing
| later in life to liking stronger spirits.  With Windows having
| the âdefinitive versionâ and users hooked or caught in the .net, Microsoft
| could effectively remove or hold to ransom the addiction of using .net from
| non-Windows users.  Just an idea, but from a PR standpoint IMO  it would seem
| far more viable than MONO being used to trick people into installing
| Microsoft patent infested code.

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