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[News] [Rival] Microsoft Pisses Off Poland Again (After Racism Row)

  • Subject: [News] [Rival] Microsoft Pisses Off Poland Again (After Racism Row)
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:49:15 +0000
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Hey Microsoft, Poland doesn't like you anymore


Microsoft, Poland Is Pissed Off



Polish government gives away laptops to kids

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| Numerous media informed that Polish government will be giving away laptops to
| every kid in the country. The project will cost about 500 mln PLN (250 mln
| USD) yearly over the next couple of years and first laptops will be handed as
| early as September 2009.


Ubuntu Preinstalled in Poland

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| Today I saw this laptop in a computer store in Krakow Poland. Notice anything
| different about it? Yes, itâs got Ubuntu preinstalled on it. Iâve read about
| many companies doing this but it is the first time Iâve seen it in a shop
| here. I managed to snap this photo on my camera phone so sorry about the
| quality!


How to get a refund for Windows in Poland?

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| Reading the Slashdot article about Dave Mitchell from Great Britain, who got
| a 47 pounds refund from Dell for returning his copy of Windows was an
| inspiration for me to check, if it is possible in Poland, too. This is my
| success story.
| I am a 3rd yearâs student of Information Technologies at the University of
| Lodz. In September 2007 Iâve purchased the Lenovo ThinkPad R61i laptop
| from âPoltronicsâ company in Lodz, for 3355 PLN. From the very beginning Iâve
| been informing the seller, that I wonât be using Windows, because it is Linux
| I work on. In return, I was told, that they cannot sell me the laptop without
| the Windows OS pre-installed. At that point in time, Lenovo didnât offer the
| ThinkPads with Linux, as they are now (with SLED) on the (more expensive)
| ThinkPads T-series.


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| Polandâs Office for Competition and Consumer Protection (UOKiK) claims
| that selling laptops with obligatorily preinstalled Microsoft's
| Windows operating system constitutes a monopolistic practice and is
| restrictive to competition....
| The investigation, instigated in December 2007, as a result of many
| complaints filed with the UOKiK by Polish consumers, has revealed that
| breaching antimonopoly principles in commonplace among computer
| hardware and software producers.
| "[Consumers] complained that they could not make their own choice of
| an operating system when buying a laptop", Malgorzata Cieloch, UOKiK's
| Spokesperson has told Gazeta Wyborcza.


Poland: Ministry of Education recommends Open Source

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| The Polish Ministry of National Education is advising schools and
| universities to use Open Source software. The recommendation comes at the end
| of a volunteer campaign to help schools switch to Open Source.


PL: Ministry of Education recommends Open Source

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| The Polish Ministry of National Education is advising schools and
| universities to use Open Source software. The recommendation comes at the end
| of a volunteer campaign to help schools switch to Open Source.
| The Ministry recommended in a statement that schools and universities use
| OpenOffice. The application suite is sufficiently mature and advanced to be
| used for teaching and for office use in education and science
| institutes. "OpenOffice can successfully substitute proprietary applications
| and will result in significant savings on licenses."


OOXML ISO aftermath in Poland

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| Tomasz Bednarski (Mandriva Poland) wrote a letter to PKN president, Tomasz
| Schweitzer, in which he expressed his concerns about the Polish OOXML
| ratification process which Bednarski took part of, as a member of the
| technical committee 182. We publish the translation of his letter and the
| response from Schweitzer.    
| [...]
| So, it seems that the OOXML saga in Poland is far from over and there will be
| more proceedings in the nearest future, which we will pass to you as soon as
| we hear about them. Thank you for now.  



Polish chairwoman distributes Microsoft propaganda

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| The Chairwoman of the polish Technical Committee has distributed
| documentation about the BRM authored by Microsoft. She has also changed the
| voting rules for the email ballot to "If you don't vote, it is counted as a
| YES", and she has threatened to sue committee members if they spread
| accusations. What a nice broken chairwoman they have in Poland.    


"Abstain from voting"

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| Evil! "Abstain from voting" means no new vote will get submitted, so the
| September vote will be carried! In the case of Poland it was an approval vote
| for the OOOXML standard with comments attached. Yes, Poland felt it could
| support the approval of a standard candidate that got more than 2300 pages of
| dispositions of comments. And now the logic I fail to get is: if we fail to
| approve we do nothing and carry the previous approval vote. ISO procudures
| sometimes feel like a witch test.      
| "Abstain from voting" != submission of an "Abstain" vote.


Possible manipulation around OOXML process in Poland

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| Just to remind you, on Thursdayâs meeting 12 members voted for OOXML, 10
| members voted against it and 2 abstained from voting. As the consensus has
| not been achieved, Andrukiewicz decided that the voting should continue by
| e-mail and all the missing members should be allowed to vote. What she did
| not mention is that if the missing members fail to send her an e-mail with
| their stance, it will be automatically assumed they vote yes. This is one of
| the crazy rules of PKN process of opinioning new ISO standards.      


Poland Fails to Approve OOXML; Chairman Decides Members Can Vote by Email 10
More Days - huh?

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| This is different. There is a report by Borys Musielak of PolishLinux.org
| that Poland met to vote on OOXML on Thursday. Of 45 members of the committee
| eligible to vote, 24 showed up to vote, and it split almost down the middle,
| with 12 for, 10 against and 2 abstaining. This is extraordinary, since Poland
| voted yes in September, despite the technical committee being opposed. I call
| that progress.    
| But here is the worrying part: when it became clear that there was no
| consensus, and it was not going to be a Yes vote, the chairman "decided to
| allow the missing members to vote by e-mail during the next 10 days".  
| What to make of a process that keeps reinventing itself as it goes along?


No consensus over OOXML in Poland, yet

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| Last Thursday PKN (Polish Normalization Committee) had a meeting on which it
| was supposed to come up with the decision concerning Polish recommendation
| for ISO/IEC DIS 29500 (OOXML) proposed standard. The common stance has not
| been acheived.  
| [...]
| Yes, we do know a few more details concerning the process and the type of
| dirty politics that took place just before and during the meeting, but we are
| not going to releal it just yet, hoping that the chairman of KT 182 and the
| PKN itself makes a proper decision in the end (which is to abstain from
| voting as there has been no consensus about OOXML in KT).    


Shenanigans Alleged on Road to OOXML Vote

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| The events leading up to the ISO's decision on OOXML can best be described as
| strange.
| Take the case of KT 182, the Polish technical committee responsible for the
| OOXML standardization process, as described on Groklaw: Chairperson Elzbieta
| Andrukiewicz was instructed that KT 182 should abstain from voting if a
| consensus was not achieved. Well, it wasn't, and she said the members who
| were absent could vote by e-mail E-Mail Marketing Software - Free Trial.
| Click Here. -- but if they didn't vote, she'd take their non-response as a
| yes.      
| Later, when presenting the results of the ballot resolution, she showed a
| slide that claimed 98 percent of the OOXML issues had been resolved during
| the KT 182 meeting.  
| When reminded this wasn't true, and told that the author of the PowerPoint
| file was Paul Pesch, platform strategy manager at Microsoft Netherlands, she
| threatened to sue anyone who repeated the assertion that Pesch was the
| author.  
| That slide had been shown at another meeting, and one of the Brazilian
| delegates had complained about it.  


ODF Alliance Hails Brazil, India, Italy, and Poland for Recognizing
OpenDocument Format

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| The OpenDocument Format Alliance (ODF Alliance), a broad
| cross-section of organizations, academia and industry dedicated
| to improving access to electronic government documents, today
| applauded Brazil's decision to recommend ODF as the government's
| preferred format; India's decision to use ODF at a major state
| government agency; and Italy's decision to recognize ODF as
| national standard.
| The Alliance also recognized Poland, too, for demonstrating serious
| interest in adopting ODF in the wake of a national meeting held for
| its government with broad participants from industry and non-profit
| agencies.


Poland against OOXML?

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| Polish Technical Committee no 171 has just voted 80% against the adoption
| OOXML as an ISO standard [PL].


Polish National Interoperability Framework promotes Open Standards

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| This basically means that Microsoftâs Office Open XML will not be
| treated as open standard, thus not preferred in Polish e-Government
| services, making OpenDocument Format the office standard of choice.


Poland says "Yes, with comments" to OOXML


Poland votes yes on OOXML

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| Several protests were sent already to PKN and TC 182 on behalf of: Free and
| Open Source Foundation, TC 171 members, Google Poland, IBM Poland, but I
| really doubt they will make the difference in Polish vote among ISO. The
| whole process was planned to the last minute so that there is not enough time
| to protest or make any changes. Although it is not as clear situation of
| vote-buying as in Sweden, it strikes me as something from typical Microsoft
| lobbying portfolio.      

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