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[News] Patent Troll Larry Horn and Hishe MPEG-LA Cartel Reported to Authorities (Antitrust), VP8 Analysed Further

  • Subject: [News] Patent Troll Larry Horn and Hishe MPEG-LA Cartel Reported to Authorities (Antitrust), VP8 Analysed Further
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:37:26 +0100
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Company Sues MPEG-LA, Claiming Antitrust Violations Over Patents

,----[ Quote ]
| It's no secret (though certain copyright 
| and patent system defenders insist 
| otherwise) that copyrights and patents are 
| monopoly privileges, granted by the 
| government. In fact, some of our elected 
| officials have made the argument that 
| antitrust law should be used against the 
| worst abuses of intellectual property law. 
| While it's unclear how successfully that 
| will play in courts, we may soon have a 
| bit of a test case. Slashdot points us to 
| the news that German company Nero AG is 
| suing MPEG-LA, claiming abuse of monopoly 
| power with its patent pools for licensing 
| digital video codecs. 
`----

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100524/1451239553.shtml

Nero Files Antitrust Case Against MPEG-LA

,----[ Quote ]
| Nero AG, a company with one of the most 
| fitting names ever (can you imagine a 
| company called Hitler or Stalin 2000 years 
| from now?), has filed an anti-trust 
| lawsuit against the MPEG-LA. The German 
| technology company claims the licensing 
| body has abused its monopoly power, and 
| that is has not honoured agreements made 
| with the US Department of Justice. There's 
| some juicy stuff in here.
`----

http://www.osnews.com/story/23346/Nero_Files_Antitrust_Case_Against_MPEG-LA

Patent Troll MPEG-LA Takes Aim at GOOGLE/VP8

,----[ Quote ]
| They make no bones about it. These trolls 
| are âgoing afterâ users of technology. 
| They are pirates. Let us hope SCOTUS pops 
| their balloon today.
`----

http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/05/24/patent-troll-mpeg-la-takes-aim-at-googlevp8/

WebM (VP8): safe and royalty-free?

,----[ Quote ]
| For the time being, I believe it's best to 
| wait until there are news, either positive 
| ones from Google (concerning its patent 
| clearance and/or its indemnification 
| policy) or negative ones from other patent 
| holders. One way or the other, this 
| situation should be clarified before 
| anyone takes a risk. 
`----

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/05/webm-vp8-safe-and-royalty-free.html

An analysis of WebM and its patent risk

,----[ Quote ]
| So, calling Google out for releasing the 
| study on possible patent infringement is 
| something that has no sense at all: they 
| will never release it to the public.
`----

http://carlodaffara.conecta.it/?p=420

Google support aside, WebM carries patent risks from MPEG LA

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/05/google-support-aside-webm-carries-patent-risks-from-mpeg-la.ars

FUD pushing back hard against Google WebM

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/fud-pushing-back-hard-against-google-webm/6548

WebM Poised to Bring Open Video to the Masses

http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7786/1.html

Some personal comments about Google's WebM 

,----[ Quote ]
| Now, Dark Shikari of x264 fame dissected 
| the codec and in part the file format; his 
| words are â not unexpectedly, especially 
| for those who know him â quite harsh, but 
| as Mike put it âThis open sourcing event 
| has legs.â
`----

http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2010/05/22/some-personal-comments-about-google-s-webm

Re: VP8 and WebM--Thank you, Google! (P.S. Let's talk)

,----[ Quote ]
| This note from Apple was like a rabid dog 
| barking at the pound, for it seemed to set 
| off a flurry of patent-rattling from all 
| corners, with Microsoft quickly claiming 
| that Salesforce.com infringed nine of 
| their patents, Nokia claiming that Apple 
| infringed 5 more of its patents, HTC 
| getting into the fray, etc.
| 
| And then along comes Google. And instead 
| of piling on to this patent suit scrum, 
| they offer immunity instead. Which is 
| astonishing.
| 
| I have to give some props to the FSF for 
| asking for precisely what Google seems to 
| have decided to do. They wrote an open 
| letter asking Google to free VP8 and use 
| it on YouTube. The bigger part of that 
| decision now seems to have been effected. 
| Which, to use the FSF's own adjective, is 
| amazing. And cause for both gratitude and 
| celebration.
| 
| And of course this is not the end of the 
| story, but the beginning. The license 
| Google wrote for VP8 smacks of OSD 
| goodness, but it has not yet been 
| submitted to the OSI for approval. Should 
| the OSI approve yet another license? 
| Should the OSI treat a patent grant 
| attached to a license we've already 
| approved as two separate items, a patent 
| grant (which is great) and a license we've 
| already approved? Clearly Google is trying 
| to do the right thing. We are trying to do 
| the right thing. What remains to be seen 
| is whether the H.264 are going to do the 
| right thing and offer all their patents as 
| required by the Open Standards 
| Requirements (OSR) or whether Apple will 
| do the right thing and defend, rather than 
| attack, the open source community and its 
| right to enjoy watching a movie on the 
| laptop of their choice.
`----

http://opensource.org/node/521

â Problems With WebM?

http://webmink.com/2010/05/24/%e2%98%9e-problems-with-webm/

WebM: Missing The Assurances Open Source Needs?

,----[ Quote ]
| The announcement last week at Google IO of 
| the creation of the WebM project and the 
| release of the VP8 codec was a positive 
| and welcome development, finally offering 
| an alternative for online media to the 
| royalty-liable H.264 and to Theora. WebM 
| arises from Google's purchase of ON2 last 
| year and had been widely anticipated
| 
| Google did their homework, securing 
| endorsements from competing browser 
| vendors Opera and Mozilla and even from 
| Adobe (possibly in exchange for Google's 
| endorsement of Flash on their TV platform) 
| and, weakly, from Microsoft. The parade is 
| now in full swing, and we can expect many 
| more announcements of support like the one 
| from the Miro Project. Only Apple was 
| painfully absent, pushing the Google-Apple 
| tension further into the spotlight 
| 
| [...]
| 
| Despite their claims that WebM was been 
| checked for patent risks when ON2 was 
| acquired, Google has neither made its 
| research available nor does it offer a 
| patent indemnity. Google has expressed 
| extreme confidence in the patent safety of 
| WebM, yet has failed to create a patent 
| pool with its other endorsers and grant 
| free and indemnified licenses to WebM 
| contributors.
| 
| That means the path is open for those 
| hostile to digital liberty, such as the 
| MPEG-LA licensing cartel, to 'tax' VP8 
| users - they have already declared an 
| intent to do so. Google should rapidly 
| create "WebM-LA" with $0 licensing terms 
| for those willing to commit to digital 
| liberty. 
`----

http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2973&blogid=41

Phipps: WebM/VP8 "not currently open source"

,----[ Quote ]
| According to OSI board member Simon 
| Phipps, the VP8 codec, which Google 
| released last week as part of the WebM 
| project, is "not currently open source". 
| In a blog posting, Phipps notes that the 
| licence used by Google has not been 
| submitted to the Open Source Initiative 
| (OSI) for approval and that it "possibly 
| can't be approved". The problem is that 
| although the licence Google uses for VP8 
| is based on the Apache licence, it 
| includes a "field of use" restriction in 
| the patent grant section which is limited 
| to "this implementation of VP8".
`----

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Phipps-WebM-VP8-not-currently-open-source-1006014.html

When video gets ugly

,----[ Quote ]
| Unsurprisingly, Apple and Microsoft are 
| among the companies licensing the use of 
| H.264, so stand to make money, and lots of 
| it if the format is widely adopted.
| 
| The only other competitor to H.264, until 
| a couple of days ago, was Theora, an open 
| source format favoured by Mozilla, Google 
| and Opera. But the chances of Theora 
| succeeding have always seemed very slim, 
| particularly as Jobs has already made it 
| clear that Apple was looking at hitting 
| Theora hard with patent suits.
| 
| Apple and Microsoft have also made it very 
| clear that they wouldn't be supporting 
| Theora in their future browser releases.
`----

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/columns/12551-When-video-gets-ugly.html

Moovida Media Player now supports WebM (VP8) Video format

,----[ Quote ]
| Looking for a media player to playback 
| your videos converted to open WebM with 
| Miro Video Converter, then grab Moovida 
| media player. Open Source Moovida media 
| player formerly known as Elisa is one of 
| the first media players to boast support 
| of the open source VP8 codec. 
`----

http://www.kabatology.com/05/22/moovida-media-player-now-supports-webm-vp8-video-format/

Linux WebM Labs, minor update

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/05/22/linux-webm-labs-minor-update

MPEG-LA Considering Patent Pool For VP8/WebM

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/05/21/133249/MPEG-LA-Considering-Patent-Pool-For-VP8WebM

x264 on the Google WebM move

http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/x264-on-the-google-webm-move/

First Look: H.264 and VP8 Compared

,----[ Quote ]
| VP8 is now free, but if the quality is 
| substandard, who cares? Well, it turns out 
| that the quality isn't substandard, so 
| that's not an issue, but neither is it 
| twice the quality of H.264 at half the 
| bandwidth. See for yourself, below.
| 
| To set the table, Sorenson Media was kind 
| enough to encode these comparison files 
| for me to both H.264 and VP8 using their 
| Squish encoding tool. They encoded a 
| standard SD encoding test file that I've 
| been using for years. I'll do more testing 
| once I have access to a VP8 encoder, but 
| wanted to share these quick and dirty 
| results.
`----

http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/Editorial/Featured-Articles/First-Look-H.264-and-VP8-Compared-67266.aspx


Recent:

10 questions for MPEG LA on H.264

,----[ Quote ]
| MPEG LA: Yes, since the Web site is
| receiving remuneration for the AVC video
| content it makes available on a
| subscription basis, it would benefit from
| the coverage our AVC License provides. The
| amount of royalties owed, if any, would
| depend on the number of Subscribers to
| that website during a calendar year:
|
| 100,000 or fewer subscribers/year = no
| royalty;
| 100,001 - 250,000 subscribers/year =
| $25,000;
| 250,001 - 500,000 subscribers/year =
| $50,000;
| 500,001 - 1,000,000 subscribers/year =
| $75,000;
| and more than 1,000,000 subscribers/year =
| $100,000.
`----

http://www.betanews.com/article/10-questions-for-MPEG-LA-on-H264/1274306999


Canonical clarifies its H.264 licence

,----[ Quote ]
| When purchasing an OEM machine with Ubuntu
| pre-installed, there is currently no way to
| tell, without the manufacturer explicitly
| specifying them, which software and codecs
| are bundled with the machine. A device may
| be validated as Ubuntu Compatible, which
| means the OEM has tested the system and
| Canonical has verified the test, or as
| Ubuntu Certified, which means that
| Canonical have performed the testing.
| Kenyon points to the Ubuntu Certified list
| on the Canonical site, which lists systems
| from Lenovo, ASUSTek, HP, Toshiba, Samsung
| and Dell. Kenyon added "We have explored
| setting some minimum requirements for
| codecs, but this is not something that we
| presently do".
|
| So the rule of thumb is that an arbitrary
| Ubuntu system does not have a H.264 licence
| via Canonical, unless it's an OEM system
| which specifically lists the H.264 licence
| in its documentation or marketing
| materials.
`----

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-clarifies-its-H-264-licence-993182.html


Canonical explains Ubuntu unfree video choice

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/05/canonical_h264_video/
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