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[News] VP8 Adoption on Its Way But Patent Trolls Fight Against It (With Apple's and Microsoft' Support)

  • Subject: [News] VP8 Adoption on Its Way But Patent Trolls Fight Against It (With Apple's and Microsoft' Support)
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:49:02 +0100
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Mozilla and Opera call for Google open codec in HTML5 spec

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| One week after Google open sourced its 
| $124.6m VP8 video codec, Mozilla and Opera 
| have called for its inclusion in the still-
| gestating HTML5 specification.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/28/mozilla_and_opera_want_vp8_in_html5/

Google's New Open Source Video Standard May Never Be Free

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| Google has the resources to fight any 
| industry consortium in court, and it might 
| just get the chance, as the company has 
| declared that it will make all of YouTube 
| available in VP8. But, as John Paczkowski 
| pointed out, unless it's ready to indemnify 
| everyone else who uses the standard against 
| future licensing or legal fees, its claim 
| that VP8 is not only open source but free 
| to use may prove meaningless.
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http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/guest/25239/

MPEG LA Shrugs Off Antitrust Allegations

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| But Nero, represented by Winston & Strawn, 
| alleges that MPEG LA has abused its 
| monopoly power. Nero claims that MPEG LA 
| has not lived up to the commitments it made 
| to the Department of Justice when it was 
| previously investigated by antitrust 
| enforcers. (The DOJ issued a letter to MPEG 
| LA on June 26, 1997, stating that it was 
| "not presently inclined to initiate 
| antitrust enforcement action" over the 
| licensing arrangement.)
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http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202458503025&MPEG_LA_Shrugs_Off_Antitrust_Allegations

The royalty-free HTML5 video of WebM â possible patent problems

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| VC-1, used in HD DVD, was more different 
| from H.264 than is VP8 and could not escape 
| the problems of software patents. 
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http://www.htlounge.net/art/12313/the-royalty-free-html5-video-of-webm-%E2%80%93-possible-patent-problems.html

Implications of Googleâs WebM license on open source selection

http://saviorodrigues.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/implications-of-googles-webm-license-on-open-source-selection/

Google's WebM license could undermine the meaning of 'open source'

http://infoworld.com/d/open-source/googles-webm-license-could-undermine-the-meaning-open-source-308

Google demands more openness from the Open Source Initiative

http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/05/27/google-demands-more-openness-from-the-open-source-initiative/

http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?17:mss:1012:201005:dphgapeaeaahenjiboco

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| From: Chris DiBona &lt;cdibona@xxxxxxxxx>
| Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:42:16 -0700
| Wed, 26 May 2010 09:42:16 -0700
| 
| Please hold off on submitting this while we 
| determine certain compatibility
| issues internally at google. We'll engage 
| with osi in a couple of weeks,
| likely as not.  I would also point out that 
| we're uncomfortable with make
| license proliferation worse and in the 
| event we do submit it, we will want a
| couple of changes to how OSI does licenses.
| 
| 1) We will likely want a label explicitly 
| deterring the use of the license.
| 2) We will want the bod list archives open 
| for any discussions of webm. We
| are not comfortable with OSI being closed.
| 
| This might sound strident, but I think that 
| OSI needs to be more open about
| its workings to retain credibility in the 
| space.
| 
| Chris
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Google WebM Calls "Open Source" Into Question

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| An anonymous reader adds: "It turns out 
| that libvpx, Google's VP8 library, isn't 
| compatible with the GPLv2. Google is 
| apparently aware of the problem and working 
| on a solution.
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http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/05/28/2014200/Google-WebM-Calls-Open-Source-Into-Question

Turf Wars and Standards

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| Googleâs VP8 FLOSS video code and WebM file 
| format are brewing a bit of a turf war and 
| the old guard is circling the wagons around 
| H264. There is an idea to add VP8 and WebM 
| to HTML5. That would ensure that everyone 
| with any browser or OS could use HTML5 
| properly but the old guard wants to make 
| money from HTML5 by holding patents and 
| charging licence fees to use a video codec.
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http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/05/28/turf-wars-and-standards/

The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Enemy Or Why VP8 Is Important Even If It Came From Google

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| This does not make Google our friend. 
| Google didnât do this for the consumer. 
| Google did this for Google. The largest 
| user of Flash video is this small site 
| called YouTube, which curiously enough is 
| owned by Google. That Googleâs actions will 
| do the consumers good is a byproduct of 
| Google trying to make money. Google doesnât 
| really care about the consumer, it only 
| cares about Google.
| 
| Thereâs been a lot of articles about VP8, 
| from a variety of publishers, which can be 
| found here, here, here, etc. Some of the 
| most important ones were written by Dr. Roy 
| at Techrights, who has my utmost thanks for 
| all the research time he saved me.
| 
| But everyone seems to be missing something. 
| What if VP8 becomes the de facto standard? 
| Remember that VP8 is an open standard. 
| Totally open. This means that adding DRM to 
| it will be difficult, if not impossible. So 
| VP8 kills off Windows Media Video (WMV) and 
| Quicktime as a video standards, just like 
| MP3 killed off Windows Media Audio (WMA) 
| and Quicktime as audio standards. Remember 
| that one of the reasons that Microsoft and 
| Apple fought MP3 was because MP3 wasnât 
| compatible with DRM, and the Frauhoffer 
| Institute controlled the specification. Now 
| we have the same situation with VP8, and we 
| already know that Steve Jobs is panicking. 
| You have to ask yourself whyâ
| 
| Simple â VP8 will destroy the Digital 
| Millennium Copyright Act, ACTA, the new 
| Canadian Copyright Act, the WIPO copyright 
| treaties, and every other law which 
| attempts to protect DRM. The ripping noise 
| you hear is Hollywood tearing itâs hair out 
| in clumps.
| 
| And now you know why the patent trolls at 
| MPEG.LA are trying to sidetrack VP8 
| adoption. Which still doesnât make Google 
| our friend. Remember that.
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http://madhatter.ca/2010/05/28/the-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-enemy-or-why-vp8-is-important-even-if-it-came-from-google/
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