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> Roy Schestowitz stated in post 4580741.xvjAipFDf2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on 7/6/11
> 11:20 PM:
>
> ...
>>>>>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ] | One of the strong points of Linux Mint Debian is the
>>>>>>>>>> fact that itÂs a rolling | distribution. Users enjoy a continuous
>>>>>>>>>> flow of updates coming from the repositories, | which keeps their
>>>>>>>>>> system up to date without the need to upgrade to | newer releases |
>>>>>>>>>> or to go through the hassle of reinstalling the operating system.
>>>>>>>>>> When | the updates | are significant and affect large or sensitive
>>>>>>>>>> parts of the system, some experience | is needed from the user. The
>>>>>>>>>> new updates might ask you something youÂre not | familiar with, some
>>>>>>>>>> post-configuration might be required for things to work | as they
>>>>>>>>>> did, and if you make a
>>>>>>>>>> mistake and you donÂt have the knowledge | to fix | things up, you
>>>>>>>>>> might very well end up with a partly or completely broken system.
>>>>>>>>>> `----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yuck... there goes the idea it is a good distro for general users.
>>>>>>>>> Really - for Mint that is a surprise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You seem to have incomprehension when it comes to choice. Should we ban
>>>>>>>> screws and bolts because they might promote DIY?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What? Really... where the heck did that come from? Maybe you misread
>>>>>>> my comments?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see... it's the "confused troll" now.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So you were just confused? Not sure I follow - or are you trying to turn
>>>>> things around and call me a "troll"? Whatever... let's get back to the
>>>>> point and away from your name calling - whether you meant yourself or me
>>>>> (or someone else?)
>>>>>
>>>>> You posted info about how Mint, an OS which sells itself on being easy to
>>>>> use and reliable, is now moving to a model where users without the
>>>>> knowledge to "fix things" ...
>>>>>
>>>> False.
>>>>
>>> The quote - the one you provided - is still there.
>>>
>> Irrelevant to the whole picture.
>
> Well, it has been pointed out elsewhere that this version of Mint is not
> really designed for the ease-of-use crowd and that the team is keeping the
> ease-of-use version, so in that way my concerns have been shown to be less
> founded than I first thought.
>
> With that admission from me, the idea that they are making a system which is
> more likely to end up "partly or completely broken" was what I was in
> reference to. As such, it was completely relevant to the point I was
> making.
>
>>
>>>>> may very well end up with a "partially or completely broken
>>>>> system". I noted the weakness of this - and how (if true) this is a
>>>>> surprise on *Mint*, given its focus on greater usability.
>>>>
>>>> You do not understand Mint flavour and it shows.
>>>
>>> <http://www.linuxmint.com/about.php>
>>>
>>> You vs. the LinuxMint website... hmmmm, who to believe?
>>
>> Out of context again.
>
> The LinuxMint site is not in context of discussing LinuxMint?
>
> What?
>
> Just what is it you think is being discussed? To clarify my point, what *I*
> was discussing: based on the above quote I believe Mint was moving solely to
> this new model (I am happy to have been wrong on that, for what it is
> worth). With that in mind, however, the idea that Mint is meant to be easy
> to use (as described on their own site) is very much in context to concerns
> about them making it more likely to end up broken.
>
> Maybe you just got confused as to what was being discussed? That is not an
> insult - it happens. No big deal.
>
>>>>> You responded with irrelevant comments about choice and how you felt this
>>>>> showed some lack of understanding on my part (though you have yet to say
>>>>> what you think I have failed to understand). You then went off into la-la
>>>>> land and suggested banning screws and bolts... a bizarre comment that does
>>>>> not even work as a weak analogy, assuming you meant it that way (though,
>>>>> frankly, who knows).
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked if maybe you misread my comments - note I did not accuse you of
>>>>> any
>>>>> wrongdoing nor call you any names. And you responded with a comment about
>>>>> some "confused troll", presumably suggesting you thought that was me even
>>>>> though the data would indicate that would better fit you (which is not to
>>>>> say I think your lack of understanding was a trolling move - just said it
>>>>> fit you better, not that your term was a good fit for either of us).
>>>>>
>>>>> So, again: what the heck? What lack of understanding about choice did you
>>>>> mean? It really makes no sense in the context of my comments.
>>>>
>>>> No, you meant what I thought you meant. You need to learn how Mint is
>>>> developed.
>>>
>>> Again: no explanation of your comments and more implied accusations.
>>>
>>> Not a very good showing from you.
>>
>> So don't bother arguing. But you do.
>
> How dare I make points and look at the evidence! Hey, in this case my
> belief about Mint was shown to be wrong... and I could have figured that out
> had I done more research. Ok, my fears were not founded - I expressed my
> concerns and someone helped to educate me.
>
> Not sure why this would be seen as "arguing" in your mind. I certainly am
> grateful to have learned something and to have had my fears responded to.
> No offense was taken by someone showing I was wrong.
>
> I think people in COLA often get so tied up with their belief that if their
> claim or idea is shown to be wrong it speaks poorly of them... where I see
> it as when people change their minds as evidence is presented (as I did in
> this case) it is a *strength*. No harm in admitting you were wrong about
> something.
Another wall of text making accusations that are empty. Why even bother with you?
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~~ Best of wishes
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