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Re: C++11 in KDE 5

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____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Sunday 25 Sep 2011 13:21 : \____

> Roy Schestowitz wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>> ____/ Kelsey Bjarnason on Saturday 24 Sep 2011 19:16 : \____
>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 13:08:59 -0400, Mike wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 16:55:54 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>> Has Microsoft 'extended' that one too (yet)? I spent a lot of this
>>>>> month un-Microsoftifying C++ code to make it compilable on 64-bit
>>>>> Ubuntu.
>>>> What a complete waste of time.
>>> You're absolutely right; if one simply avoided the MS crap in the first
>>> place, there'd be no need to undo the damage.
>> The problem is, many people use MSVS and they don't realise that even if
>> it compiles for them, it won't compile for colleagues. They use VS
>> for the debugger.
> I've been migrating my home/OSS code, XPC, to Visual Studio 2010 this
> weekend, hypocrite that I apparently am, and I have to tell you I am
> heartily *sick* of dealing with Visual Studio 2010.
> Configuring a project with it if you don't want its by-default stdafx
> crap is a very stressful experience.  Not any more stressful than, say,
> GNU autotools, when it comes to figuring out what settings you need.
> But much more stressful in the mere *editing* of the settings.
> With VS, you have to either hand-edit some dense XML code, and be very
> careful not to break it, or you have to deal with one of the stupidest
> GUI configuration interfaces I have ever encountered, which requires you
> to deal with tiny text-edit fields, list-boxes with slightly different
> interfaces, menus that are so big you have to scroll them vertically or
> remember the hot keys, and references and dependencies that don't always work.
> And you have to constantly shift between Debug, Release, and All
> Configurations settings, being ever watchful that you've got the right
> one in force when you make a configuration change.
> Awful.  Simply awful.  Give me a Makefile.am with vi any day.
> And speed?  My God, even building multiple VS projects from the
> command-line using MSBuild, the code building is astoundingly slow
> compared to gcc/g++ on Linux.  And the dependency resolution?  Not only
> is it often broken in VS/MSBuild, it is as slow as hell.
> The difference in speed between GNU build tools on Linux and Microsoft
> build tools on Windows XP is astounding.

I never used Visual Studio 2010, but from your description of it this sounds
like another hard-to-use Microsoft program (complexity for a price, like Ribbon).

Linux/GNU: easy.

Windows/Microsoft: mess.

Thanks for reassuring this...

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