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	<title>Comments on: Reflections on Permanently Moving From KDE3 to KDE4: 2 Years Later</title>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/05/29/from-kde3-to-kde4/comment-page-1/#comment-36271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Schestowitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week I too moved to Squeeze.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week I too moved to Squeeze.</p>
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		<title>By: twitter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m using Debian Squeeze.  I started with KDE 4.3 then moved to testing 4.4 and now 4.5.  KDE 3.x was rock stable in Sarge, Etch and Lenny.  KDE 4 is still good but not what I&#039;ve come to expect.  I attribute this mostly to ACPI and new code.  This weekend I will try an install on a box that does not have ACPI to see how it goes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using Debian Squeeze.  I started with KDE 4.3 then moved to testing 4.4 and now 4.5.  KDE 3.x was rock stable in Sarge, Etch and Lenny.  KDE 4 is still good but not what I&#8217;ve come to expect.  I attribute this mostly to ACPI and new code.  This weekend I will try an install on a box that does not have ACPI to see how it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/05/29/from-kde3-to-kde4/comment-page-1/#comment-34016</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Schestowitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 07:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For me, KDE4 is more stable than KDE3 ever was. What distribution did you run it on?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, KDE4 is more stable than KDE3 ever was. What distribution did you run it on?</p>
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		<title>By: twitter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 03:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a few things I&#039;m not used to and think are less efficient.  I can&#039;t go back because the community has moved on, so I run KDE 3.5 in a virtual machine so that some things are not lost.  Konqueror still rules but it is damaged.  I&#039;m starting to have my doubts about the new framework promises panning out in the near future.

The inability to use the kde panel outside of kde desktop and the separation of file and web browsers are striking examples of things I consider downgrades.  Konquer&#039;s do everything ability was a major step forward over other browsers and non free OS.  KDE 3.5&#039;s X11 modularity was admirable for more than the Kicker.  

The move to databases for KDE PIM has still not paid off for me, and&lt;a href=&quot;http://tokoe-kde.blogspot.com/2009/09/kaddressbook-and-akonadi-in-kde-44.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; there is some controversy over it&lt;/a&gt;.  The person who made the move boasted:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Working on the port of KAddressBook has been real fun, because I had the chance to throw away all the ugly, historically grown code and restart from scratch.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now that&#039;s confidence!   There are still feature losses and I&#039;m not used to it.  Data handling through Akondi is complex and I&#039;m still learning how it syncs and when.  One particular annoyance I&#039;ve yet to fix is being able to search all of my address books at once.  There is no top level for me, so I have to search all of a dozen or so books one at a time to match a contact.  That is a huge regression.  I have not yet learned how to sync my older gadgets besides copying files back to a KDE 3.5 system that still works.  

I&#039;m reasonably sure the community will get KDE 4 where KDE 3 was but it has caused some disruption and I&#039;m not sure it was worth it.  The people at Trinity assert they can get everything done with DCOP, which Free Desktop copied.  In a way, it feels like the Gnome people reached out and screwed up KDE just before Microsoft moved in for the QT kill.  If KDE remains true to software freedom, these problems will fade in time.  KDE 4 is about as usable and stable as Gnome.  I&#039;m waiting for it to be as stable as KDE 3.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few things I&#8217;m not used to and think are less efficient.  I can&#8217;t go back because the community has moved on, so I run KDE 3.5 in a virtual machine so that some things are not lost.  Konqueror still rules but it is damaged.  I&#8217;m starting to have my doubts about the new framework promises panning out in the near future.</p>
<p>The inability to use the kde panel outside of kde desktop and the separation of file and web browsers are striking examples of things I consider downgrades.  Konquer&#8217;s do everything ability was a major step forward over other browsers and non free OS.  KDE 3.5&#8242;s X11 modularity was admirable for more than the Kicker.  </p>
<p>The move to databases for KDE PIM has still not paid off for me, and<a href="http://tokoe-kde.blogspot.com/2009/09/kaddressbook-and-akonadi-in-kde-44.html" rel="nofollow"> there is some controversy over it</a>.  The person who made the move boasted:</p>
<blockquote><p>Working on the port of KAddressBook has been real fun, because I had the chance to throw away all the ugly, historically grown code and restart from scratch.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now that&#8217;s confidence!   There are still feature losses and I&#8217;m not used to it.  Data handling through Akondi is complex and I&#8217;m still learning how it syncs and when.  One particular annoyance I&#8217;ve yet to fix is being able to search all of my address books at once.  There is no top level for me, so I have to search all of a dozen or so books one at a time to match a contact.  That is a huge regression.  I have not yet learned how to sync my older gadgets besides copying files back to a KDE 3.5 system that still works.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reasonably sure the community will get KDE 4 where KDE 3 was but it has caused some disruption and I&#8217;m not sure it was worth it.  The people at Trinity assert they can get everything done with DCOP, which Free Desktop copied.  In a way, it feels like the Gnome people reached out and screwed up KDE just before Microsoft moved in for the QT kill.  If KDE remains true to software freedom, these problems will fade in time.  KDE 4 is about as usable and stable as Gnome.  I&#8217;m waiting for it to be as stable as KDE 3.</p>
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