__/ [ Rex Ballard ] on Monday 28 August 2006 20:41 \__
>
> Hadron Quark wrote:
>> "Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
>> >> > Let's see. 16 percent of the PC users have Linux.
>> >>
>> >> No they dont. Sorry. Impossible : a casual "real world" poll would put
>> >> paid to that idea. I'd be very suprised if it was anymore than 2-5%.
>
> I suppose that depends on how you pick the sample.
>
> http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/bstats/latest.html
>
> Browser Platforms
>
> Browser Platforms Hosts %
> --------------------------------------------
> 1. Windows 2K (NT5) 5068 68.1
> 2. Windows 313 4.2
> 3. Macintosh 205 2.8
> 4. X11 128 1.7
> 5. Windows NT 12 .2
> 6. other 1715 23.0
>
>
> Browser Flavors
>
> Browser Flavors Hosts %
> --------------------------------------------
> 1. Microsoft 3428 46.1
> 2. Netscape 2192 29.5
> 3. other 1821 24.5
>
>
> Browsers
>
> Browsers Hosts %
> --------------------------------------------
> 1. Microsoft Explorer (NT) 3172 42.6
> 2. Netscape (Windows) 1853 24.9
> 3. Misc Netscape-compatible 985 13.2
> 4. Microsoft Explorer (Win) 254 3.4
> 5. Netscape (Macintosh) 191 2.6
> 6. Netscape (X11) 124 1.7
> 7. Opera 93 1.2
> 8. Netscape (?) 24 .3
> 9. Java/JDK/HotJava 5 .1
> 10. Lynx 4 .1
> 11. Microsoft Explorer (Mac) 4 .1
> 12. GetRight 1 .0
> 13. Microsoft Explorer (WebTV) 1 .0
> 14. other 730 9.8
>
>
> Here's another old favorite
> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
>
> If you have lots of money, you can get some really good stats (maybe).
>
>
http://www.websidestory.com/services-solutions/datainsights/statmarket/overview.html
>
> Keep in mind that in one of the OS samples, "Other" includes a number
> of Linux powered browsers. X11 plus Other is almost 25%. Interesting.
>
> http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm
>
> This is the classic reference. It describes the flawed means of
> collecting stats through browser logs and other flawed techniques.
>
>> > I'd be interested in seeing either poll that showed either number.
>> > It's not that hard to believe that 16% of the PC users have Linux.
>>
>> For those of us in the real world, it would be. Sorry. Thats more than
>> one in ten : and that surely is not the case. No way Jose.
>
> I'm often surprised to see how many people know linux, know what it is,
> and do use it in a limited way. Many people use it as a backup tool,
> or to access "high risk" sites. Others just use it at home, or use it
> with Windows.
>
>> > They may not USE it all the time, but they could very easily have it
>> > installed on their machine, or on a LiveCD, or on a second machine.
>>
>> They might have a LiveCD, but most dont use it.
>
> But how would you know? How would you count?
>
>> > The problem is that we have no clue what people are doing with their
>> > machine after they purchase them. After all, Linux is easiy to obtain,
>> > not that difficult to get at least marginally functional (the display
>> > may not be dazzling, the sound card may not work, or the WiFi card may
>> > be "Linux hostile" but you can get a display and use it as a functional
>> > Linux system), and it's very inexpensive.
>>
>> But whats the point when they have a working windows system? Why on earth
>> would they want a system with no wifi or sound?
>
> They probably wouldn't, most of the time. Again, for special funtions
> like backup, Linux is a really good solution. To read e-mail safely
> with little risk of infection, Linux is a nice solution. To browse
> risky sites, Linux is a good solution.
>
>> > With VMWare, VirtualPC, and Bochs, it's not hard to get Linux running
>> > on a Windows system as a client. It's about as easy to install as
>>
>> Most home users will not be running linux as a windows client : anyway,
>> if windows is half as unstable as you say surely this wouldnt even work?
>
> It doesn't work as well as going the other way, such as, getting a
> SWW/RFL machine, installing Linux using a commercial distribution, and
> installing Windows as the client.
Here are the browser stats from schestowitz.com so far this month (about a
million hits, excluding bots, SE's ans spiders).
Windows 601817 72.9 %
Linux 88846 10.7 %
Unknown 85451 10.3 %
Macintosh 46841 5.6 %
Unknown Unix system 783 0 %
FreeBSD 779 0 %
Sun Solaris 164 0 %
WebTV 56 0 %
Symbian OS 44 0 %
OpenBSD 40 0 %
Others 10 0 %
MS Internet Explorer No 401207 48.6 %
Firefox No 272754 33 %
Unknown ? 69659 8.4 %
Safari No 28829 3.4 %
Mozilla No 17271 2 %
Opera No 17114 2 %
Konqueror No 7798 0.9 %
Netscape No 5291 0.6 %
Camino No 1729 0.2 %
Wget Yes 1119 0.1 %
And don't just believe all stats that you see. Microsoft controls many
publications and if you drop "Other" altogether, then you get lies, not
statistics. Microsoft has already tweaked Netscraf figures by bribing
GoDaddy to change the machine(s) which drives its parked domains. It's all
just an illusion brought to you by Microsoft's brainwash (marketing)
department.... that's the same department that phones Lenovo after it had
offered preinstalled SUSE Linux. And then, quite suddenly, Lenovo, said it
would support but not install Linux...
Be careful. Microsoft got you all confused. But the facts are on the ground.
Money changes perception.
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