__/ [--Fred--] on Monday 06 February 2006 16:37 \__
> "JimD" <jamesdaltrey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> This site rank highly for "St Barts", http://www.stbarth.com/
>> But has identical content to http://www.stbarthrealestate.com/ which
>> ranks nowhere for the same key phrase..
>> Both home pages have a PR5
>> I was under the impression that both sites would be penalised?
>> We inadvertantly (?) had a mirror site for reasons of ignorance, which
>> we thought we had been penalised for, but if the people above can get
>> away with this, perhaps this is not the case....
>> If anyone could shed any light on this?
> It's a roll of the dice, but the nice are not friendly. When they go bad,
> they go bad hard. You take your chances. The real problem is your
> competitors, or wanabee spam police, and if someone else wants to hurt the
> web site, they will report it.
> Personally, I went the way of mirror sites and got my knuckles crushed. I
> don't recommend it to anyone anymore.
In my humble opinion and based on personal experiences (see below), you
should get rid of one of your sites using careful re-direction. Your aim
should be to weed out traffic to one of the sites, or else it is a matter
of time until the existence as a mirror becomes obvious enough to justify
I still keep a tiny so-called 'mirror' alive and it contains approximately
20% of my current site's content. I migrated from the old site (the mir-
ror) over a year ago and did not want to break incoming links. I redirect-
ed from several of my old pages to the new site (more major ones in par-
ticular), so the 'old versus new' notion become transparent to the
The outcome: at present, the new site gets hundreds of referrals per day
and the old one gets _less than one referral (on average) per day_. In
terms of crawling, the old site continues to be crawled (sometimes heavi-
ly) by MSN, but it is almost disregarded by other crawlers which move much
more slowly. Some PageRank has remained alive in the old site.
I hope this serves as somewhat of a practical example. I separated yet an-
other section of my main site to create a stand-alone domain. The old sec-
tion remained in tact, but it redirects using HTTP refreshes (imperfect
strategy, but a good enough /ad hoc/ solution). The new site gets the
traffic and the old section has lost that traffic. If it were not for the
redirections, I think I would have been penalised. Identical pages cannot
appear in tandem in page 1 of the search results. Not unless it's the CIA
Hope it helps,
PS - I have other Webspaces available, for histrical reasons and because
they are easy to maintain and are in people's bookmarks. I use re-direc-
tions where possible and rel="nofollow" any indication of their existence
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