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On 2007-01-23, Mark Kent spake thusly:
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> Mateus Denigris <Mathew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
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>> On 2007-01-23, Guy Fawkes spake thusly:
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>>> "Roy Schestowitz" <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> schreef in bericht
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>>>> http://boycottnovell.com/2007/01/11/proprietary-open-xml-extensions-already/
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>>>> See first comment. Didn't take long, did it? Yesterday it was reported
>>>> that
>>>> Microsoft offers money for people to edit Wikipedia information about
>>>> OOXML.
>>>> Now they appear to be coming to blogs, in the form of comments. No
>>>> disclosure, nothing new...
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>>> The more they struggle, the faster they sink in the quicksand. ;)
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>>> Analogy: the more Microsoft tries stupid things to fend off Linux, the more
>>> people will wake up and figuring out something's amiss.
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>> I actually think microsoft just dosen't care enough to spam blogs.
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> I've been hearing that argument since before the original astroturfing
> facts came out. It was an unconvincing argument way back then, now it
> just seems amazingly naive. Microsoft *only* are about their marketing
> image, they don't care about anything else. If they need to manipulate
> blogs to maintain a particular image, then they will put any amount of
> resources into doing so. Recently, for example, they were caught
> sending PCs to bloggers who would give them a good review, then they got
> cold feet and asked for them back, and then they changed their minds
> again. Search cola, this has been well documented in the digests and in
> Roy's posts.
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>> IMHO they are
>> going to go for more effective ways of manipulation.
>
> Than telling falsehoods? That's what they do, and it works well.
Mark, I didn't say Microsoft didn't tell falsehoods, or that marketing wasn't
important to them. It is fairly obvious to the observant individual, that
just the opposite is true.
I did say that, in my opinion, Microsoft wouldn't care enough about blogs
to spam them. They are going to go for whatever gets them the most bang
for the buck. You snipped out the portion of my original post in which I
agreed with the notion that they would find wikipedia a target worth manipulating
and I suppose this would qualify as a blog, so that is the exeption. I'm not
aware of the incident in which they were caught sending the PC's as payment
for illegitimate services rendered. I'm not naive. I understand all too well
the lengths that Microsoft will go to, to achieve and maintain their goals.
I just believe that they pick their battles carefully, based on the probable
returns they are likely to get as compares with other methods. They aren't
idiots. And as far as astroturfing is concerned, I think it's possible
that they pay people to do this. Frankly, I don't think that they have to.
There are too many people in this world that are more than happy to carry
that microsoft banner for free. The devil has priests that sought out the
monostary. One final thought: Cola is fun, and often educational. It isn't
a resource for proving, or disproving anything. It's a forum. And while
I find Roy's posts interesting and usually informative, I also don't take
them as evidence of absolute truth one way or the other. I don't think
they are meant to be.
best regards,
Mateus
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