____/ [H]omer on Tuesday 06 November 2007 05:03 : \____
> Verily I say unto thee, that Jeffrey Stedfast spake thusly:
>
> [snip dictionary quote]
>
> I really don't think I need to take English lessons from a Yank.
>
> If the /article/ had been "retracted", then it wouldn't be there any
> more (it is). If Asay wished to retract his /opinion/ then he'd make it
> clear that his opinion had changed (he doesn't). What /is/ clear from
> the article is that he now feels that it was "not [his] place" to pass
> judgement on de Icaza, but at no point does he retract his opinion.
>
> This is merely an apology for making his opinion public. Presumably he
> feels that, in retrospect, he should have exercised more diplomacy.
>
> But by all means call it a "retraction" if it'll make you sleep easier.
>
>>> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2007-June/msg00428.html
>>>
>> I'm not sure what this has to do with me
>
> Just FYI, that's all. Since you seem to be one of those dedicated to
> spreading the infection of Mono, I thought you'd be interested to know
> that it is slowly becoming inextricable from Gnome. I assume from your
> indifferent response that you're not denying that fact then?
>
>> but a quick google of the problem reveals that someone not affiliated
>> with myself nor Novell added the libbeagle dependency to Yelp.
>
> Well naturally, since Yelp is a *Gnome* project. The fact is that
> libbeagle is now a Yelp dependency, regardless of who committed the crime.
>
>> You would have realized this, too, had you spent 30 seconds doing a
>> little fact-checking.
>
> A little more "fact-checking" reveals that this problem (that you
> apparently know nothing about) seems to be affecting a number of other
> distros too:
>
> OpenSUSE:
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-commit/2007-09/msg00634.html
>
> Ubuntu:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/114957/comments/7
>
> Fedora 7 (confirmed infection):
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=262838
>
> Madriva (this guy is *really* not happy about libbeagle infecting his
> system):
>
http://www.beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2007/09/06/07/24/16-2-minutes-about-copernic
>
> Apparently this infection has been spreading for a while, starting as
> far back as April 2006:
> http://www.lyricswithoutmelody.org/beagle/?p=12
>
> No, actually *January* 2006:
> http://www.lyricswithoutmelody.org/beagle/?p=11
>
> I'm sure it's all just coincidental though.
>
> Once again, let me just extend my warm thanks, for your participation in
> poisoning the Free Software tree with Microsoft IP.
I don't want to write a long message about it and I haven't read the whole
thread, but quick two points I wish to make are:
1) The "retraction" term was used by de Icaza before. It seems like a
systematic method that reminds me Apple's and Microsoft's censorship.
2) I have caught Novell employees, including de Icaza, bending and twisting
bloggers' arms in the past, especially after they had said bad things about
Novell. In some cases, such bloggers were attacked by anonymous commenters. In
other cases, they do it by E-mail. I bet you a million bucks de Icaza still
sends E-mails to people. He asking for "retraction".
I have a lot more to say, but I know what I know about Mono and I'd rather than
just it with hyperlinks. Awareness about these issues must be raised before
it's /far/ too late.
For the record, I was a happy GNOME user for years. I haven't anything against
GNOME, but the 'poisonware' it gets through the Novell 'food funnel' is more
than a timebomb.
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