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[News] [Rival] Windows Vista Betrays Gamers Again

  • Subject: [News] [Rival] Windows Vista Betrays Gamers Again
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:02:12 +0000
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • Organization: Netscape / schestowitz.com
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MS Released Vista SP1 Information Bad News For Gamers

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| I suppose this really shouldn't surprise me. But it does make me wonder where 
| all this SP1 will save the day for gaming crap came from. As it stands now 
| SP1 does nothing to fix its poor gaming performance.   
| 
| [...]
| 
| Although Windows is trying to re-establish PC gaming with the Games for 
| Windows platform, there is little reason for gamers to use Vista.  
`----

http://b1tt.com/1775/

They tried to fake a big improvement and change between DX9 and DX10,
artificially blocking DX10 in XP and producing fake images that accentuate
differences in unaccesptable ways. Liars.


Related:

The trouble with Microsoft

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| DirectX 10
| Microsoft’s highly advertised DirectX 10 (and its spin-off 10.1) should have 
| been one of the strong points convincing people to switch over to the Vista 
| camp. Microsoft placed a bet on the gamer segment, where fans of Crysis and 
| other DX10 games should theoretically migrate merrily to the shiny new OS. 
| This had a few people thinking for a while, but they made up their minds when 
| they saw the DX9 shots after a few smart brains tampered with Crysis’ files. 
| The differences were next to impossible to distinguish more often than not.      
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/12/20/inside-microsoft-machine


Microsoft, Flight Simulator developers use images to paint misleading picture

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| We received this set of screenshots ages ago from Microsoft itself, which 
| used this game heavily to promote the beauty of DX10 and how necessary is to 
| switch from Windows XP to Vista. These two screenshots ended in quite a lot 
| of mainstream magazines, and were all over the place in specialist IT media.   
| 
| [...]
| 
| Nobody buys explanations about why Flight Simulator runs so slowly on 
| quad-core processors and most powerful graphics cards, as we concluded in our 
| review.  
| 
| FSX is rendering practically everything, forget about any modern 3D feature 
| such as Occlussion Culling, Occlusion Querry and Z-buffer compression and 
| putting a bitmap cockpit on blanked alpha texture, while everything else is 
| being rendered.   
| 
| This procedure just kills performance and we could not imagine any game past 
| DX7 utilizing such a concept. 
| 
| We cannot avoid the thought that this plot might have been done deliberately, 
| in order to spark interest about the game itself and boost sales of a product 
| that usually has a limited customer base.  
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/26/flight-simulator-developer


Vista Offers Nothing to Gamers

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| This is just a small sampling of games obviously, but for our
| intended experiment, I think they did the trick. We wanted to
| simulate what a normal gamer might go through in order to play 
| games on Vista, and the end result was just slightly more hassle
| than you would with XP. 
`----

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2007/03/01/vista_offers_nothing_to_gamers_uk/index.html


Crysis DX10 Fraud Exposed - DX9 to DX10 Patch

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| Crytek developers have deliberately crippled Crysis for the only purpose of 
| marketing DX10 and Windows Vista. the proof is a simple config file tweak 
| allows the use of 'Very High' quality textures, shadows, etc on DX9 and 
| WinXP.    
`----

http://haleyshothouse.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5159


DX9 and DX10 performance compared 

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| So, it seems, there is some difference to crow about - although it is our 
| suspicion that, given the time and inclination, most of the flasher DX10 
| features could be retro-fitted without much hassle, and the differences are 
| more a product of time and money than capability.   
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41958


Inside CNET Labs: Lamenting DirectX 10

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| We compared the same title side by side on a system running DX10 on Vista to 
| the same title on an identical system running DX9 on XP, and it's 
| difficult--sometimes impossible--to detect significant differences in how the 
| games look or perform.   
`----

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9750536-1.html


Adding DX10 has "done nothing"

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| Having tested the DX10 rendering path against the DX9 version, the chaps at 
| the fantastically named Elite Bastards say that they can't "Help but feel a 
| little disappointed to see yet another game where the inclusion of DirectX 10 
| functionality has done nothing for the title either graphically or from 
| performance standpoint".    
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41043


OpenGL 2.x and 3.0 APIs arrive this year 

,----[ Quote ]
| Approximately three months after that, Mount Evans (OpenGL 3.0) will 
| run specifically on hardware born after November 8th, 2006. You've
| guessed it correctly, we are talking about DirectX 10-class hardware,
| bringing all the features of unified 3D architecture to the world of 
| OpenGL. Mount Evans is compatible with Longs Peak, but of course -
| you will require OpenGL 3.0 class hardware to run everything.
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39846


Valve survey shows hundreds of thousands steamed up 

,----[ Quote ]
| However, the survey also shows how far Microsoft et al have to go 
| - currently, DX10-capable gamers (ie those with Vista and a DX10 card) 
| make up 1.21% of the gaming population.
|         ^^^^^
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40049


DAAMIT! AMD's DX10 is not up to scratch 

,----[ Quote ]
| The gap isn't much, but there's a good 10-15 per cent difference between 
| the two cards, and this is rather disappointing for a card that has 
| been repeatedly marketed as future proof.
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40048


Lord of the Rings Online: DX10 Patch

,----[ Quote ]
| The DX10 codepath offered by the latest update to the Lord of the Rings 
| client software gives us no reason to recommend anyone upgrade to Windows 
| Vista right now to use it. It offers a couple of real visual quality 
| upgrades, but currently with a monstrous performance penalty.   
`----

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxMywxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==


ATI: Linux vs. Windows Vista

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| Wow! We were completely blown away when our final results came in and the 
| Linux 8.42.3 driver had outperformed Windows Vista with Catalyst 7.10 in 
| Enemy Territory: Quake Wars. It wasn't just a neck-and-neck race but Linux 
| was about 10 frames per second faster when running at 1280 x 1024 and 1680 x 
| 1050.    
`----

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=897&num=3


Gears of War PC Performance and IQ

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| DX10 On = No Advantage
| 
| We are not sure exactly what turning on DX10 does, but we do know it causes a 
| large performance drop on every video card. In our testing we found 
| absolutely no image quality differences by turning this to “On.” The only 
| benefit was being able to use “On/Antialiasing” for 4X AA, but you need a 
| very fast video card to use that setting. If you have a GeForce 8800 
| GTX/Ultra level video card you can enjoy that setting. But on the GeForce 
| 8800 GT/GTS and Radeon HD 2900 XT you will have to sacrifice other in-game 
| options or resolutions in order to use 4X AA. It is rather a shame because we 
| noticed that 4X AA does improve the visual quality of this game in a 
| noticeable way.         
| 
| Disappointing In-Game AA Controls
| 
| [...]
| 
| Overall Summary
| 
| Gears of War plays very well with DX10 set to “Off,” and this is the mode you 
| will find the best gaming performance with.  
| 
| [...]
| 
| The Bottom Line
| 
| We found no image quality differences inherent to enabling DX10 mode, but we 
| did find a large performance drop on every video card. Simply put there is no 
| reason to run this game in DX10 unless you have a powerful enough video card 
| to handle 4X AA with this mode enabled. For the best performance run this 
| game with DX10 “Off” and crank up the resolution with maximum in-game 
| settings for a very fun, fast paced, action game.      
`----

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQxNiwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA


Vista-only game cracked 

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| Falling Leaf Studios had previously reported that they were working 
| on the 'Alky Project' that would contribute 'Alky Compatibility 
| Libraries' to allow the successful running of Halo 2 and Shadowrun 
| on Windows XP machines.
|
| Looks like it was a lot simpler than that. 
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40538


Hacked DX10 for Windows appears 

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| A chap called Cody Brocious from San Diego, California, claims to
| have started to create an wrapper for Windows executables so that
| they can be ran on another operating system, with no prejudice
| about that operating system.
| 
| A year in, the Alky Project has gone live under the cover of a
| company Falling Leaf Systems. Members of its Sapling Program will
| be able to get the wrappers for DirectX10 applications and run
| them not just on DX10 hardware under Windows XP, but with some
| DX9 hardware as well. 
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39095


Valve questions Microsoft's commitment to PC gaming

,----[ Quote ]
| Half-Life 2 developer Valve thinks that Microsoft's current
| "Games for Windows" marketing push is a cynical ploy to sell
| more copies of Windows Vista, rather than a genuine effort to
| invigorate the PC gaming market.
`----

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2007/03/12/valve_questions_microsofts_commitment/


Vista still lacks the gaming performance of XP

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| The computers were tested with the latest ATi drivers with all OS patches and 
| updates applied.  The indexing service was turned off, details in the game 
| were set to “ultra high” with a resolution of 1024 x 768 (yeah, can’t really 
| expect much out of a 2600XT card).   
`----

http://www.underdark.cc/2007/09/21/vista-still-lacks-the-gaming-performance-of-xp/


Does WINE + Linux support more Windows apps than Vista?

,----[ Quote ]
| WINE supports most of the applications which are made for Windows
| 2.0 up to Windows XP. WINE has the ability to run different versions
| of IE, run most of Adobe's products, run World of Warcraft, Half Life
| 2, Microsoft Office 2003, XP, 2000 and 97, Visio, Quicken,
| 
|     * Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars
|     * Need for Speed Carbon
|    
| [...]
|
| What about drivers, hardware support, and upgrades?
|
| Want to upgrade you XP to Vista? no chance. might as well do a fresh 
| install and shell out $300.
`----

http://jagtalon.wordpress.com/2007/04/30/does-wine-linux-support-more-apps-than-vista/


XP vs. Vista - A Tale of Framerate

,----[ Quote ]
| Seldom has the rumor mill turned faster than when gamers talk about gaming
| in Vista. Some folks are staying away from the new OS simply because
| they feel it doesn?t game well.
`----

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzNCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==


A Messy Transition (Part 3): Vista Buys Some Time

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| Under Vista the game is still using an additional 160MB of virtual address 
| space compared to XP, but this is far better than the gap being the entire 
| size of the video memory on our 8800GTX prior to the hotfix.  
`----

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=3060&p=2


Vista breaks 90% of games, claims game publisher

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| Alex St. John, chief executive of game publisher WildTangent, today
| blasted his former employer for a half-baked and negligent way of
| treating the majority of game publishers - small development studios
| and individual programmers of casual games: St. John claims that at
| least nine out of ten games do not work with Vista.
`----

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2007/01/30/vista_games/


Cursor hackers target WoW players

,----[ Quote ]
| World of Warcraft players are being targeted by hackers exploiting
| flaws in how Windows handles animated cursors.
`----

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6526851.stm


Vista proves a disaster for gamers

,----[ Quote ]
| If you're asking yourself, why linux? Head over to HardOCP and
| read its experience after surviving 30-days of Vista.
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38745


30 Days with Windows Vista

,----[ Quote ]
| Comparisons, conjecture, and controversy. Microsoft's new operating 
| system is here, but is it ready for primetime? We spend 30 days
| with Windows Vista to see if it's worth the leap or if Microsoft
| should go back to the drawing board.
`----

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMxOCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==


Counter-Strike on Windows Vista - Windows XP/Windows Vista comparison

,----[ Quote ]
| Of course, some of you love Counter-Strike and can apply a lot of
| tips and tricks to optimize the settings and get improved performance,
| but for a beginner user, Windows XP is the recommended platform for
| games.
`----

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Counter-Strike-on-Windows-Vista-54569.shtml


Linux FPS [PCLinuxOS]

,----[ Quote ]
| A few weeks ago I installed PCLinuxOS 2007 and I'm very impressed
| with it. One of the things I like is their package manager--everything 
| is there, you don't need to add any extra repositories (a popular 
| distro that starts with "U" infuriates me with all the mucking 
| around you have to do), and there are never any issues with 
| unresolved dependencies.
| 
| Anyway, last week I downloaded through the package manager a 
| game called Sauerbraten. It's a great multi player FPS. It's 
| completely free and very entertaining to play. 
`----

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/VanAlstine/3051


Vacuous Vista

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| When I bought my new pc in March, I was ambivalent (yet hopeful, if that 
| makes sense) about the preinstalled copy of Vista which was to be installed 
| on it. Since my current hard disk was more than sufficient for all things 
| productive (linux), I left the new drive with windows for my games.
|
| [...]
| 
| Today I wiped out the drive and reinstalled xp, which boots in fractions of 
| the time, supports my soundcard, plays my games well!
`----

http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/414-Vacuous-Vista.html


Windows XP and Vista Performance Comparison

,----[ Quote ]
| Even before Windows Vista was publicly released, there was a lot of
| concern from people beta testing the O/S. Running Windows Vista
| seemed to have a large performance drop for their PC when compared
| to Windows XP. Was it true? Or is it just scare tactics from
| Microsoft haters?
`----

http://www.ozhardware.com.au/content/view/18/1/


Vista Offers Nothing to Gamers

,----[ Quote ]
| This is just a small sampling of games obviously, but for our
| intended experiment, I think they did the trick. We wanted to
| simulate what a normal gamer might go through in order to play 
| games on Vista, and the end result was just slightly more hassle
| than you would with XP. 
`----

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2007/03/01/vista_offers_nothing_to_gamers_uk/index.html


Because penguins need to play too.

,----[ Quote ]
| The Windows camp have a lot of great games to play and a popular 
| misconception is that Linux is lacking in games. That is not true.
| There are literally thousands of games for Linux. In fact a lot of
| them have been ported to Windows too.
| 
| [...]
| 
| There are both free and commercial games available. Some of the best
| ones I really like are America's Army, Tremulous and Enemy Territory. 
`----

http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/linux/locutus/archives/because-penguins-need-to-play-too-14767


Windows Vista and casual games: the woe starts now

,----[ Quote ]
| Casual game company alleges the security of Microsoft's new
| OS goes to far and stifles web-based games.
`----

http://gaming.monstersandcritics.com/pc/news/article_1253720.php/Windows_Vista_and_casual_games_the_woe_starts_now


World of Warcraft - Poor Frame Rates on Windows Vista

,----[ Quote ]
| I have to say that the performance results are pretty disappointing. The 
| test machine is a 2.5Ghz Pentium 4, with 2GB of RAM and a 256MB Radeon 9600 
| video card. This same machine stayed regularly in the 40fps range with 
| Windows XP installed. Now, sitting around in Orgrimmar, it?s struggling to 
| stay above 20fps, regularly dipping into the teens. The scary part is that 
| even standing idle, my CPU usage is pegged at 100% and 60% of my RAM is 
| used.
`----

http://www.philoking.com/2007/01/28/world-of-warcraft-poor-frame-rates-on-windows-vista/
http://tinyurl.com/yqsvwq


Vista Gaming: Is It Truly Ready?

,----[ Quote ]
| Gaming Challenges for Vista Ahead. With the upcoming release of
| DirectX 10 and the new UI, there is really no question that the
| new OS has some great potential as a gamers' platform. Unfortunately,
| things are still going to be very lumpy for the first 3-6 months
| after Vista's release, I suspect.
| 
| With challenges offered by Starforce copy protection and Punkbuster
| problem, the need to "run as admin" does seem rather minor in the
| grand scheme of things. Regardless, in the upcoming months, Vista
| gaming is said to be "where it's at," according to much of the
| press. The real question is - will Vista be ready for the demands
| of the existing games already in the market? This, my friends,
| remains to be seen.
`----

http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2376&Itemid=449


Gameplay Stinks with RTM Vista and Current Drivers

,----[ Quote ]
| Vista is coming, and if you are on the bleeding edge of the
| technology wave, then you had better be prepared for what's in store.
`----

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2007/01/17/gameplay-only-gets-worse-with-vista_uk/index.html


Windows Vista Gaming Performance Reports

,----[ Quote ]
| First is the fact that Vista is not going to be an OS for an ultimate
| gaming machine anytime soon. This is something that you should
| consider before you throw a bunch of cash at a new computer and
| then pick up Vista along with it.
`----

http://techgage.com/article/windows_vista_gaming_performance_reports


Vista for Games: Boon or Burden?

,----[ Quote ]
| It's (Vista) very immature. When you get Windows Vista you're
| going to need to update your video drivers right away. If you're
| a gamer, there's no question about it. It's not a matter of "I'll
| get around to it." No, if you plan to game you'll have to update
| immediately. If you don't then your games are GOING to crash.
`----

http://gigagamez.com/2007/01/26/vista-for-games-boon-or-burden/


Opinion: 'Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming'

,----[ Quote ]
| In the interest of full disclosure I should make it clear that in a
| previous life time I was responsible for all of Microsoft's OS
| strategy for games and media, from writing the original DirectX
| development plan, to managing Microsoft?s relationships with the
| industries leading game developers. 10 years after launching DirectX
| 1.0, I still have strong opinions and feelings about how to make
| Windows a great game platform, and probably feel a stronger sense
| of pique than most when I see Microsoft making careless or callous
| mistakes that impact game developers.
`----

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12314


Life with Vista - Is this dogfood really for the dogs?

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| # Vista is not ready for primetime. By that I mean that Vista still
| feels like a beta. That's right. It has so many compatibility
| problems with existing applications that running anything other
| than stuff from Microsoft that specifically says "for Vista Build
| XXXX" makes me feel like I'm taking my life into my own hands.
| 
|    1. Games - don't even get me started...
|       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| 
|    2. Visual Studio 2005 - I can't find the words to express the irony...
| 
|    3. Virtual PC - worthless. Don't even attempt on Vista.
`----

http://dotnetaddict.dotnetdevelopersjournal.com/vista_dogfood.htm


Old (beta):

Vista gaming will be 10 to 15 per cent slower than XP 

,----[ Quote ]
| So if you play Battlefield 2 or FEAR or any other popular game you are
| likely to get lower frame rates with Vista. That is certainly not a
| good buying argument but don?t think you and I have much choice as it
| looks like a take it or leave it deal. I like Vista as the 3D desktop
| looks sexy but that is probably its key feature.
`----                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34915


Microsoft doesn't yet play games on Vista 

,----[ Quote ]
| The firm has its Vista logo all over its boothm, but all the machines that
| we investigated were running Windows XP.
| 
| Obviously, it is still not the right time to switch to Vista as things
| might be not stable for current games. We hope that they can meet the
| early 2007 schedules. 
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33924


Vista RC 2 gaming with Nvidia not there yet

,----[ Quote ]
| On average, Vista means losing frames. Serious Sam 2 is the
| mystery and we will try to figure out why is this is the case but,
| apart from this example, upgrading to Vista at the current stage
| with current drivers means a certain loss of performance.
`----

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35084


Quake 4 On XP, Vista, & Linux

,----[ Quote ]
| However, I spent the extra time and while I was at it had run three
| Quake 4 v1.3 benchmarks in XP, Vista, and Fedora Core 6 (2.6.20 kernel).
| The hardware used was a modest AMD Sempron setup with a NVIDIA GeForce
| 6150 and the NVIDIA 1.0-9755 drivers (the hardware chosen was to
| represent the more common Linux user rather than using an octal-core
| setup). The NVIDIA driver on Vista was 100.65 while the XP version
| was 93.71. Below is the average frame-rate from each test on each
| operating system. 
`----

http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=164

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