____/ Mark Kent on Thursday 17 January 2008 08:01 : \____
> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:02 : \____
>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:57:05 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> ____/ Tom Shelton on Wednesday 16 January 2008 07:40 : \____
>>>>
>>>>> On 2008-01-16, Mark Kent <mark.kent@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>>>>>> ____/ Tom Shelton on Tuesday 15 January 2008 23:52 : \____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2008-01-15, Kier <vallon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:35:06 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>>>>>>>>>> ____/ Mark Kent on Tuesday 15 January 2008 16:23 : \____
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I particularly liked the "More than £20 million" as the figure
>>>>>>>>>>>> given for the skin the BBC bought for Microsoft's Silverlight
>>>>>>>>>>>> player. Accepted estimates put the figure at around £100 million,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which would suggest that Mark Thompson's response should have been
>>>>>>>>>>>> " £80 million more than £20 million, in fact, coming to about
>>>>>>>>>>>> £100 millions of licence-fee cash spent on a skin for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft-only player".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Heads should roll for this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, how can a DG /not/ know what the numbers were?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's with ActiveX anyway? It's kind of new to me. I saw another
>>>>>>>>>>> article about this later and they both seem to suggest that the BBC
>>>>>>>>>>> not only requires that you use Windows, but also that you use that
>>>>>>>>>>> buggy spyware called IE (no Firefox support). In case you didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> know, IE7 is spyware indeed... Microsoft keeps hush-hush about it,
>>>>>>>>>>> but it knows who you are and exactly what Web pages you visit!
>>>>>>>>>>> People must be told about this. The BBC puts you in DRM prison and
>>>>>>>>>>> forces you to use Windows and IE. Outrageous. How many Firefox
>>>>>>>>>>> users are there in the UK?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Microsoft Silverlight/iPlayer wasn't ever intended to promote
>>>>>>>>>> Firefox, rather, it was intended to use BBC Licence-payer cash to
>>>>>>>>>> support Microsoft's attack on Firefox, Mac and Linux.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you have any actual proof for this silly claim?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Especially since his full of total crap... Silverlight is supported
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> Windows and Mac OS X (PPC and Intel) and by IE6,IE7, FireFox 1.5 and
>>>>>>>> 2.0,
>>>>>>>> and Safari. And MS is working with Novel to produce Moonlight - the
>>>>>>>> Linux version of Silverlight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're talking about ActiveX (I was anyway).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point remains that Microsoft have never had any intention of making
>>>>>> Silverlight/iPlayer functional on anything other than Windows. After
>>>>>> spending £100 million of licence-fee payer's cash, even the BBC DG was
>>>>>> lying to MPs about this, although later claimed an "error".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kier is here to troll, as is Shelton. They're best ignored, Roy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are a real peice of work, Mark. I pointed you to a link with the
>>>>> supported platforms and browsers, yet you continue to insist on making
>>>>> this completely wrong statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Silverlight supported platfomrs: Windows XP SP2, Windows Vista, Mac OS
>>>>> (PPC and Intel). Linux support is in development.
>>>>
>>>> No, no Silverlight for Linux. And Moonlight ain't Silverlight either. Not
>>>> the mention patent and ditribution issues...
>>>
>>> The Linux player is in development. So unless you can *prove* it is not,
>>> maybe you'd better stop saying so.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Broswers: IE6, IE7, FireFox (1.5 and 2.0), Safari
>>>>
>>>> Did you know that Silverlight is said to "work better" with Vista? I'm
>>>> pretty
>>>
>>> What does that have to do with it? It still works on the other platforms
>>> mentioned.
>>
>> No, not Linux. There is no Silverlight for Linux. Moonlight is a
>> half-hearted clone with a patent baggage.
>>
>>>> sure I read this somewhere that's reliable. It's about making everyone but
>>>> Microsoft a second-class citizen _on the Web_. Not to worry. The EU
>>>> investigates this latest scam.
>>>
>>> Maybe you shoul stop and think. There is no 'scam' involved.
>>
>> Yes, none. There's never bribery, just "marketing help". There's never
>> astroturfing, just "evangelism". There's never a restriction,
>> just "enablement". The BBC can spin this all they want, but I know what they
>> did and why they did this. Ask Erik Microsoft Huggers for starters.
>>
>
> Ah, there's no point feeding the Kier troll, Roy, he'll just keep you
> going back over and over. Even the BBC's own Director General has
> confirmed most of this, and Kier, and Shelton, *still* won't accept it.
There's always some odd one who is prepared to defend OJ Simpson. After all,
he's a good football player, right? What's not to like?
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