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[News] Novell and Ballnux Not Welcome by Everyone at Linux Conference

  • Subject: [News] Novell and Ballnux Not Welcome by Everyone at Linux Conference
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:49:52 +0000
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • Organization: Netscape / schestowitz.com
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linux.conf.au: What is Novell doing here?

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| I also raised the issue of Novell employees like Miguel de Icaza and Nat 
| Friedman who appear to be pushing further and further to duplicate 
| technologies which Microsoft has developed and offering totally unconvincing 
| explanations as to why they are doing so.   
| 
| [...]
| 
| These arguments notwithstanding, it is a fact that overlooking what Novell 
| has done tends to dilute the whole message of FOSS. Novell, obviously, is 
| hoping that, as public memory is woefully short, it will be able to wriggle 
| its way back into the community. Providing such leeway is, in my opinion, a 
| big mistake.    
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http://www.itwire.com/content/view/16042/1090/


Related:

Novell congratulates itself for snogging Microsoft

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| Novell wants you to know that selling its soul to Steve Ballmer was a really 
| good idea. 
| 
| On the last day of 2007, two separate Novell execs tossed up blog posts 
| congratulating themselves for agreeing to that "interoperability partnership" 
| with Microsoft, a year-old deal intent on forcing an unholy relationship 
| between Linux and Windows.   
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/03/linux_pats_self_on_back/


Microsoft Making Millions Off Novell Linux

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| Evidence is emerging that Microsoft is making money, lots of it, from 
| selling 'certificates' for Novell's SUSE Linux. Microsoft gained the right to 
| distribute the certificates a little more than a year ago under a marketing 
| and technical alliance with Novell.   
| 
| [...]
| 
| So, while Linux -- free software that competes with Windows -- may still be 
| a "cancer" for Microsoft, the company has found a way to profit from it. 
| That's a good trick . . . perhaps Microsoft should next enter the 
| pharmaceutical market?   
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http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/01/microsoft_makin.html


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| [Allison: ] "Yes, that's true, actually. I mean I have had people come
| up to me and essentially off the record admit that they had been
| threatened by Microsoft and had got patent cross license and had
| essentially taken out a license for Microsoft patents on the free
| software that they were using [...] But they're not telling anyone
| about it. They're completely doing it off the record."
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http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/02/11/1443211.shtml


Novell: 'No One Can Stop Us From Selling Linux' 

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| It was reported that those changes would preclude the inclusion of Linux in 
| third party distribution deals such as the one Novell recently signed with 
| Microsoft and "ban" Novell from selling future versions of Linux.
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http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197003452&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_All


Why is there no Open Source SLES ?

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| One of them is that the SLES community is much smaller and more aimed at 
| proprietary software. Novell itself is promoting Mixed Source and promotes 
| its own proprietary software on top of SLES (also see OES). This obviously 
| scares part of the community away. The deal with Microsoft obviously does as 
| well. As a result Novell is big within Enterprises with little community 
| people, and these are not the kind of people that would spend their free time 
| rebuilding packages and do QA.      
| 
| Another reason is that Novell is not in favor of such a project (even though 
| people from within Novell _and_ people in the SLES community disagree with 
| management) because it fears it will take away some of the profit and Novell 
| made a big risk by taking the Linux route, they cannot afford to make it 
| fail.    
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http://dag.wieers.com/blog/content/why-is-there-no-open-source-sles


Is it Microsoft + Novell or Microsoft vs. Novell?

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| Actually, this is very surprising. I've started to notice a trend in all the 
| announcements the two companies have made over the past year: Novell stresses 
| interoperability while Microsoft beats its drum on patent protection.  
| 
| [...]
| 
| I wonder how long Microsoft will continue its efforts to try to cast the deal 
| as about IP. It's not for Novell, it seems to me now. Microsoft did the deal 
| to hurt Linux - there's no other explanation for it. It has no fiduciary duty 
| to enable a competitor (unless its a weaker competitor against the Linux 
| market leader, Red Hat). It has a fiduciary duty to kill that competitor.    
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http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9813681-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad


Novell uses Microsoft FUD to market itself

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| That these claims also could be taken to mean that Novell is developing a 
| non-standard Linux, one that is skewed only towards working with Windows, 
| appears to have escaped Novell.  
| 
| In other words, Novell has an "in" with Microsoft which Red Hat does not; 
| Utah and Redmond are in bed together and Red Hat is an intruder. 
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http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/14695/1091/

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