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Re: Lurker surfaces, annoyed at some idiot posters

George wrote:
First post to c.o.l.a

Moshe Goldfarb (brick.n.straw@xxxxxxxxx, but it changes), DFS (nospam@xxxxxxxx), Ezekiel (a@xxxxx), raylopez99 (raylopez99@xxxxxxxxx), et al

Might have missed a couple, I'm sure they will let me know.

You guys are unhelpful, often off-topic and incoherent. Your childish attacks actually *lend credibility to Linux* and hurts your cause, which is transparently anti-Linux. Your posts really say more about yourselves than Linux. If you knew how to debate without insulting your opponent then your intended audience (guys like me, probably) would be more likely to read you.

In fact I fully expect to be attacked myself, such is the opinion I have of you four. Which would of course prove my point. You all spend time in a Linux advocacy group attacking *linux advocates*. WTF? These attacks are usually in favor of Windows. Microsoft doesn't need your help. Microsoft is the incumbent, *nix is the competitor.

The trolling *does* generate lively discussion. Sometimes useful information is gleaned from the patient way that helpful posters, unaware that they are being trolled, genuinely attempt to help the troller.

Furthermore, I find that the Linux advocates in this group are not adverse to suggesting users use *Windows* if that is indeed the best choice. Roy Schestowitz enjoys posting links to news reports critical of Microsoft, that while voluminous, are no less accurate for that. He also posts many stories that do not mention Microsoft at all. Really, though, how can any OS that shares a market with Microsoft not bump heads with that giant who uses anticompetitive tactics to smother it?

About me:

I have been a usenet poster for many years on many different computers with many different names since 1993. I like mac OS X these days but I started out using Windows like many others. Because I can, and because of the Unix core of OS X (since 2000), I frequently use Terminal to run a Unix shell (I know Unix and Linux aren't the same but very close in operation). I also run X11 on my iBook. Frankly, while not free (and only partially open-source) OS X is really a nice Unix GUI.

The knowledge I gained via OS X's Unix shell motivated me to run Ubuntu 7.04 on my Dell inspiron with confidence. Even though Ubuntu is a fine GUI distribution I wanted more knowledge before the jump from XP to Linux. *nix takes a little know-how, but I spent countless hours learning how to use Windows and MacOS. There is no free lunch.


And, hey, Moshe Goldfarb, stop changing your name so I can successfully plonk you OK? What a douchebag. You think your pro-Microsoft argument is better received if you do crap like that? You're in my kill file under 5 different names already.

I've noticed it too, and I'll be honest, I haven't been around this newsgroup for very long, but I can honestly say that the mentality of some posters around here, particularly Moshe Goldfarb, is pretty pathetic IMHO. If he doesn't like Linux, why bother wasting his time posting in a Linux advocacy newsgroup? Unless you're a 14 year old pussy with nothing better to do with your time, move on and do something else. Thank you.

A lot of other posters seem to have a bad attitude, too. If you say something they don't necessarily agree with you're immediately either bluntly told you're a liar, or you're told to come out of your fairy tale or whatever other "nice" way they have of telling you that you're a liar.

Let's just try to keep it civil. If you like Linux, you're in the right place. If you don't like Linux, move on and don't waste your time here.

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