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> "Roy Schestowitz" <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> "Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:2f4d0c20-3781-4864-b7b5-d5f7558cc2eb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> On Jul 24, 12:54 am, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> Microsoft platforms chief Johnson is leaving
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> | In a surprise move, Kevin Johnson, the president of Microsoft's
>>>>> Platforms &
>>>>> | Services Division, is leaving the company, Microsoft said this
>>>>> afternoon.
>>>>> | Johnson, who reported to Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer,
>>>>> headed
>>>>> | groups including the Windows team and the company's consumer online
>>>>> services,
>>>>> | where Microsoft has struggled to keep up with Google in the critical
>>>>> Internet
>>>>> | search market.
>>>>> `----
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/144217.asp?sour...
>>>>>
>>>>> This is huge. They are leaving Ballmer lonely. It's like they all
>>>>> escape
>>>>> an
>>>>> Enron or something.
>>>>
>>>> I think that's exactly what they are looking at.
>>>>
>>>> http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/132891.asp
>>>>
>>>> Essentially, a federal judge just unsealed documents sent between
>>>> Microsoft's top executives and openly discussing severe flaws in
>>>> Vista. Since none of these issues was listed in the latest SEC
>>>> filings, it could be a serious problem for those still working at
>>>> Microsoft when the investigators start digging.
>>>
>>> --- "it could be a serious problem for those still working at Microsoft
>>> when
>>> the investigators start digging."
>>>
>>> Why in the world would this matter? You do realize that just because
>>> someone
>>> leaves a company it doesn't give them immunity from prosecution. It's
>>> absurd
>>> to think that if someone commits illegal acts or crimes at a company that
>>> if
>>> they "leave before the investigation" then they somehow get a free pass
>>> and
>>> can't be prosecuted.
>>
>> True. Ask Jim Allchin about it (references below). He was recent pulled
>> away
>> from his 'retirement' and into the court room. The class-case lawsuit is
>> not
>> over yet and what Rex says is true (about a new exhibit), things could
>> soon
>> turn ugly. The market reopens shortly and it'll be interesting to see the
>> Street's reaction.
>>
>
> Exactly Roy. Crimes and illegal activity should be prosecuted. It's
> difficult enough to maintain a level playing field when companies do follow
> (and stretch) the existing laws. But if laws are broken then those
> responsible should be identified and brought to justice. The mere fact that
> someone no longer work where the crime happened does not excuse what was
> done and should not result in those people getting a free pass.
>
> -ss (Who is sick and tired of the 'ordinary guy' getting screwed by
> corporations, government agencies and special interests)
I've just gone through portions of
http://reactor-core.org/microsoft-pyramid.html . Consider reading it when you
get the time. The BillyPress turns its back to it.
Also, moments ago in a public IRC channel:
<kentma1> wow, they're losing some really key people here...
<kentma> level 3 making a loss in the US:
http://level3.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=693
<kentma> schestowitz: the p/e ratio of MS is only 12 compared with avg of 20
for software sector in the reuters article you highlight - this is worthy of
bringing out, I think?
<kentma> http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2225586020080722
<schestowitz> [back noiw]
<schestowitz> The man they have just lost is arguably their #2 man (after
Ballmer).
<schestowitz> kentma: did you see what I wrote about that Reuters article
earlier?
<kentma> schestowitz: yes!
<schestowitz> Also, just got this mail from a friend:'Well, the Economist used
to have online an article called "Share and Share Unalike" from 1999 which
points out that if you used regular accounting (where you tally the expenses
and income, as opposed to Enron -style accounting with loops and magic
numbers) MS was already running a loss in 1998.'
<schestowitz> I could use your help
<schestowitz> I haven't read the above yet, but what is your suspicion there
abpit p/e
<schestowitz> *about
<schestowitz> With the fraud that has just been confirmed not just by
imprisonment but also admission (tjay ;ady from accounting) it's worth digging
into.
<kentma> hi - the numbers are actually in the reuters article, just page
through and the p/es are shown.
<schestowitz> Another important find (potentially):
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/2008/07/amazing_tidbits_in_microsofts.html
<schestowitz> Older: http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html
http://reactor-core.org/microsoft-pyramid.html I was in touch with Bill
Parish some months ago, but very briefly. Will he get many apologies one day?
Who knows...
<kentma> hehe - who knows?
<schestowitz> Another important gem: MS' CFO is a new guy from the paper
industry. Weird appointment. The previous guy ran away. Sort of.
<schestowitz> The Enron thing is an exaggeration, so I don't make that analogy,
but something smells funny given the fact that Microsoft's margins eroded,
sales fell, and they could still merge divisions to show positive numbers.
They are probably profitable, but to what extent? Despite the SEC's
supervision, lying is the norm now. Execs say it out loud.
<kentma> dishonesty is the norm, I agree. MS surely suffer from this!
<schestowitz> Can't say much without proof though.
<schestowitz> Novell was caught admitting this.
<schestowitz> http://reactor-core.org/microsoft-pyramid.html
<schestowitz> Compare to:
http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/08/novell-massages-figures/
>> ___
>>
>> Vista Capable plaintiffs subpoena PC titans
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Other notable names on the list include Intel and former Windows chief
>> Jim
>> | Allchin.
>> `----
>>
>> http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/135018.asp
>>
>> "We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger..If you're going to
>> kill
>> someone, there isn't much reason to get all worked up about it and angry.
>> You
>> just pull the trigger. Any discussions beforehand are a waste of time. We
>> need
>> to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger."
>> --Jim Allchin, Microsoft
>>
>> "I am convinced we have to use Windows - this is the one thing they don't
>> have.
>> We have to be competitive with features, but we need something more -
>> Windows
>> integration."
>> --Jim Allchin, Microsoft
>>
>> "I don't understand how IE is going to win. The current path is simply to
>> copy
>> everything that Netscape does packaging and product wise."
>> --Jim Allchin, Microsoft
>>
>> "We should dedicate a cross-group team to come up with ways to leverage
>> Windows
>> technically more."
>> --Jim Allchin, Microsoft
>>
>> "I feel we are much too smug in dealing with Novell. Perhaps they didn't
>> hurt
>> us in DOS yet - but it's not because of product or their trying. It's
>> because
>> we already had the OEMs wrapped up."
>> --Jim Allchin, Microsoft
>>
>> "LH [Longhorn] is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem. If
>> we are
>> to rise to the challenge of Linux..."
>> --Jim Allchin, Microsoft
>>
>>
>> Kickback Case: Retired Lawyer Sentenced
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | The law firm, previously known as Milberg Weiss Bershad & Schulman, paid
>> | $11.3 million in kickbacks to people who became plaintiffs in
>> class-action
>> | lawsuits against companies such as AT&T Inc., Lucent, WorldCom,
>> Microsoft
>> | Corp. and Prudential Insurance, prosecutors said.
>> `----
>>
>> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080128/lawsuit_kickbacks.html?.v=7
>>
>>
>> Microsoft tries to stop more 'Vista-capable' e-mails from going public
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Microsoft is trying to put the kibosh on more of its internal (and
>> | embarassing) e-mail messages around its Vista marketing plans going
>> public.
>> |
>> | [...]
>> |
>> | With every version of Windows, Microsoft has worked with hardware
>> partners to
>> | find new ways to try to convince users they need more and more powerful
>> | machines to take advantage of more feature-rich software. If Microsoft
>> and
>> | its partners were/are successful, it means more money in the PC makers'
>> and
>> | Microsoft's coffers. With Vista, this pact really back-fired, as the
>> already
>> | published e-mails around Vista-capable - and more, as-yet-unpublicized
>> | messages - will make evident.
>> `----
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1254
>>
>>
>> Microsoft challenges 'Vista Capable' class action
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | If granted, the motion would also postpone any new disclosures of
>> potentially
>> | embarrassing company e-mails.
>> `----
>>
>>
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9067400
>>
>>
>> They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know.
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Act 1: In 2005, Microsoft plans to say that only PCs that are properly
>> | equipped to handle the heavy graphics demands of Vista are "Vista
>> Ready."
>> |
>> | Act 2: In early 2006, Microsoft decides to drop the graphics-related
>> hardware
>> | requirement in order to avoid hurting Windows XP sales on low-end
>> machines
>> | while Vista is readied. (A customer could reasonably conclude that
>> Microsoft
>> | is saying, Buy Now, Upgrade Later.) A semantic adjustment is made:
>> Instead of
>> | saying that a PC is "Vista Ready," which might convey the idea that,
>> well, it
>> | is ready to run Vista, a PC will be described as "Vista Capable," which
>> | supposedly signals that no promises are made about which version of
>> Vista
>> | will actually work.
>> |
>> | The decision to drop the original hardware requirements is accompanied
>> by
>> | considerable internal protest. The minimum hardware configuration was
>> set so
>> | low that "even a piece of junk will qualify," Anantha Kancherla, a
>> Microsoft
>> | program manager, said in an internal e-mail message among those recently
>> | unsealed, adding, "It will be a complete tragedy if we allowed it."
>> |
>> | Act 3: In 2007, Vista is released in multiple versions, including "Home
>> | Basic," which lacks Vista's distinctive graphics. This placed Microsoft's
>> | partners in an embarrassing position. Dell, which gave Microsoft a
>> postmortem
>> | report that was also included among court documents, dryly
>> | remarked: "Customers did not understand what 'Capable' meant and
>> expected
>> | more than could/would be delivered."
>> `----
>>
>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09digi.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin
>>
>>
>> Microsoft knew of Vista shortcoming prior to release
>>
>>
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-knew-vista-shortcoming-prior/story.aspx?guid=%7B75BE59C7%2DEFA1%2D48B5%2DB4A4%2D90F5E01A52A0%7D&siteid=yhoof
>>
>>
>> Microsoft dropped Vista hardware spec to raise Intel profits
>>
>>
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/03/01/microsoft_intel_vista_capable_emails/
>>
>>
>> Microsoft 'Caves' To Intel
>>
>>
http://www.forbes.com/2008/02/28/microsoft-vista-intel-tech-ebiz-cx_wt_0228vista.html?partner=yahootix
>>
>>
>> Has Vista lost all credibility?
>>
>> http://apcmag.com/8344/has_vista_lost_all_credibility
>>
>>
>> E-mail: Microsoft 'botched' dealings with Intel, HP
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Internal Microsoft e-mails revealed through a federal class-action
>> lawsuit
>> | arising from the troubled launch last year of the Windows Vista
>> operating
>> | system have provided a provocative inside look at the software giant's
>> | machinations with Intel, HP and Dell.
>> |
>> | The e-mails include an exchange in which one senior Microsoft executive
>> | described dealings with computer makers as "really botched." Another
>> manager
>> | complained Microsoft was "caving to Intel" and "really burning HP."
>> |
>> | The e-mails are included in 145 pages of documents unsealed by U.S.
>> District
>> | Judge Marsha Pechman in Seattle late Wednesday. They include internal
>> | reports and some handwritten notes that offer a rare look inside at the
>> | famed "Wintel" partnership, and touch upon the alliance's dealings with
>> | Hewlett-Packard, Dell and other computer makers.
>> `----
>>
>> http://origin.mercurynews.com/businessheadlines/ci_8417811?nclick_check=1
>>
>>
>> Related:
>>
>> Debut and departure for Windows chief
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Sitting behind a one-way mirror, a white-haired man [Allchin] struggles
>> to
>> | access a shared music library within Windows Vista.
>> |
>> | "I'm lost," he says. "I'm in trouble here."
>> `----
>>
>> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6154171.html
>>
>>
>> Allchin's 'Buy a Mac' E-Mail Exposed
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | "I must tell you everything in my soul tells me that we should do
>> | what I called plan (b) yesterday. We need a simple fast storage
>> | system. LH [Longhorn] is a pig and I don't see any solution to this
>> | problem. If we are to rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we
>> | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> | need to start taking the lessons of 'scenario, simple, fast' to
>> | heart. Jim"
>> `----
>>
>>
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/operating_systems/allchins_buy_a_mac_email_exposed.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535
>> http://tinyurl.com/y5cuu6
>>
>> - --
>> ~~ Best of wishes
>>
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