Rex Ballard wrote:
> On Jul 23, 4:06 pm, "DFS" <nospam@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>> Benchmarking Microsoft Word 95 through Word 2007
>
>>> Watch the graphs. The Munchkins love making fun of OOo performance,
>>
>> That's because OO is a slow piece of outdated, unpolished,
>> less-functional, less-interoperable junk when compared to Office
>> 2003 or Office 2007.
>
> That's probably a very subjective opinion, especially since OO and
> other ODF supporting suites tend to offer a lot more "Bang for the
> Buck".
Besides OO, what other ODF-supporting office suites are there? None. Not
one.
The market hasn't demanded an open document spec, and still hasn't. And
never will - and I know this because stuff like that means jack to computer
users. In 20 years of working in offices, I've not once heard anyone
complain that their data is "locked-in" to Microsoft. That's a cola/Linux
idiot thing.
I would guess maybe 1 in 1,000,000 users care that the spreadsheet data is
supposedly "open".
> Even if it's true that OO isn't as functional, polished and virus
> friendly as Office 2007, it's "Good Enough" to compete in the
> marketplace based on standard measurers such as ROI and TCO, and win
> quite favorably.
How can you tell? Nobody uses it. Oh I know you cola wacks think there are
200,000,000 OO users out there, but I bet you've never once seen it being
run out in public or at a client site.
> Keep in mind that Office 2007 imposes a double whammy in terms of
> expense. In addition to the increased cost of software,
You didn't hear? Office 2007 is no more costly than Office 2003. And the
Home/Teacher edition is downright cheap, at $92 on Amazon (for Word Excel
Powerpoint and OneNote that can each be installed on 3 or 4 systems).
> you have the
> incompatibility with previous versions of Office, which means that you
> have the same problem of trying to convert billions of documents
> written in Office 95, Office 97, Office 2000, and Office XP/2003 into
> the new Office 2007 format, which is completely incompatible with any
> other third party Office suites or tools.
So the 2007 users will default to read/write the 2000/2003 formats that are
mostly interchangeable.
> Conversely, you have ODF suites that can handle the older content
> formats
Spare us the hyperbole. OpenOffice chokes on anything but simple Office
documents.
> AND can store/save them in ODF format quite easily, as well as
> saving them in PDF format. Actually an OSS subset of PDF which is
> fully compatible with all versions of Acrobat.
Again, you didn't hear? A free add-in lets MS Office save to PDF.
> The ODF documents can be parsed and indexed using any number of XML
> parsers as well as pattern scanning tools such as PERL and can also be
> transformed into other useful formats and databases with little or no
> manual intervention.
I read/write Excel files w/ VB every day and post the data to/from Oracle or
Access.
==============================================
For total control it can be done like this:
Dim objExcel As Excel.Application, objWB As Excel.Workbook, objWS As
Excel.Worksheet
Set objExcel = New Excel.Application
Set objWB = objExcel.Workbooks.Open(xlsFile)
With objExcel
Dim tabNbr As Byte
For tabNbr = 1 To (objWB.Worksheets.Count)
Set objWS = objWB.Worksheets(tabNbr)
<control every property of an Excel workbook with VB code>
Set objWS = Nothing
Next tabNbr
End With
objExcel.ActiveWorkbook.Save
objWB.Close
Set objWB = Nothing
objExcel.Quit
Set objExcel = Nothing
Or there's the handy Access built-in function to import or export data
between Access/ODBC tables and Excel sheets with a single line:
DoCmd.TransferSpreadsheet
==============================================
Or there's the reading of your entire Outlook Calendar:
Dim olApp As New Outlook.Application
Dim olCalendar As Object, olAppt As Object
Dim recurPattern As Outlook.RecurrencePattern
Set olCalendar =
olApp.GetNamespace("MAPI").GetDefaultFolder(olFolderCalendar)
For i = 1 To olCalendar.Items.Count
Set olAppt = olCalendar.Items(i)
<read/write Outlook appointments>
Set olAppt = Nothing
Next i
Set olCalendar = Nothing
Set olApp = Nothing
==============================================
OO/Evolution just doesn't compare.
>> OOBase uses OOWriter (a word processor) as its form and report
>> designer? Huh?
>
> Gee, Office has that capability too, but it's often poorly used
> because it's so poorly managed and documented.
You seem to be confused:
* Access has its own form and report writers.
* You can create custom interface forms for Excel and Outlook, but they have
nothing to do with Word
To design forms or reports for OOBase (the database) you have to use
OOWriter. It's nuts, and it's a crappy solution.
> There are plenty of books on VBA that will show you how to use "Merge"
> documents to generate reports using Word. There are also Excel
> spreadsheet "Forms" which can be used to capture input from a "form"
> and store the results in excel cells. And of course the Excel forms
> can also be used to store directly to databases.
Yes.
> OpenOffice doesn't duplicate effort and tools, and then generate
> content that's mutually exclusive. They use a standard set of tools
> and libraries to minimize the incompatibilities of different "office
> documents". This reduces the amount of time doing "cut and paste"
> manually to address the incompatibilities between applications.
You try to delude yourself, but your actions belie your words: year after
year you stick with MS Office.
> Rather than sending a huge report that's a few megabytes in size, you
> can send the word "report form" to authorized users who can get the
> summary report in the "form" desired by only sending the Report
> "script" and letting them get the updated data.
There are lots of ways to capture and display survey data using MS Office.
> OO/ODF gives you an alternative to custom applications for "ad hoc"
> needs. Let's face it, there are some tasks for which a PHP web
> server, or a WebSphere Portal SOA customization would be "killing
> flies with a bazooka", but paying a $100/hour consultant to spend 80
> hours to copy/paste responses is also overkill.
That's why you hire DFS to write some nifty VB apps that extract Outlook
responses from a public folder, analyze/report the data, post it to a
database, create Excel sheets/summaries for each region/manager, post them
back to shared directories or create PDF versions and send them directly to
users, or send them to ftp sites, or store them as BLOBs in a database, or
write them to a doc mgmt system. All with a few lines of tasty code, all
kicked off automatically or with a few button clicks.
>>> so they ought to look at how a pig called Office quickly became an
>>> elephant.
>>> The Fall of Microsoft Office
>>> Is Microsoft Office in trouble?
>>> Is Office the new Netscape?
>>
>> LMAO! Spamowitz, no offense because I don't know you, but based on
>> your posts you're just a simpering idiot with a perl script that
>> generates stupid headlines you're too lazy to vet before you post to
>> a ready audience of like-minded cola morons.
>
> Here's a hint, a substantial portion of Roy's postings are QUOTES!
> He posts "teasers" along with a one-line comment of his own, like a
> "punch line" designed to encourage you to read the actual 3rd party
> document of highly relevant (to this group) Linux related content.
He's a lying loser. You're a liar, but not a loser.
> One of the problems in that financial report is that Microsoft's
> revenues are up (squeezing more cash out of each OEM for the same
> number of license units, or fewer), but the expenses are out of
> control, and Microsoft is having a hard time hiding that.
Another foolish statement directly contradicted by reality.
> If you assume that Microsoft is eating it's own dog-food, and
> everybody is using Vista and Office 2007, and that instead of lowering
> their total costs and increasing productivity, Microsoft has had to
> hire more staff to make up for the loss in productivity. Not a good
> sign for Microsoft.
You know absolutely nothing about what MS employees run.
> The fact is that OSS actually HAS adversely impacted Microsoft's
> revenues in a variety of ways.
Probably so, but not by much, as MS revenues are up year after year after
year.
> Businesses have reduced the amount
> spent on "support plans", many dropping "platinum" plans and opting
> for "basic" plans instead. This seems to be because they are more
> aggressively exploring ODF suites.
Let us know the next time you see someone running OpenOffice. In addition
to never seeing a desktop Linux system in public, I've never seen anyone
running OpenOffice. And I expect I never will.
>>> Is Microsoft Aura Fading?
>>
>> A lot of "pundits" say so, but Windows Server 2003+, Windows Vista,
>> Office 2007, Visual Studio, SQL Server 2005+, Sharepoint, etc are
>> huge sellers and well-received pieces of technology.
>
> Sure, and AT&T had huge sales for a few years after divestature. But
> Lucent was almost completely wiped out.
How many fruitlesss years have you been alluding to "MS is doomed"?
>> And a recent large-scale tech survey rated MS the most influential
>> tech firm http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080513/0396537.html
>
> Pay enough money and you could probably get a survey that showed that
> people think Adolf Hitler should be cannonized for his contributions
> to humanity. It's just a matter of framing the questions correctly.
You didn't do your homework, Herr Goebbels:
"Survey respondents were given an "open-text" opportunity to identify the
top three technology companies that had the most influence on their business
performance over the course of the past year."
> If the question was "Which companies have Influenced technology the
> most", then Microsoft should be #1. Remember, many new technologies,
> including the Web, Open Source, Linux, and Java were developed as ways
> to break the Microsoft monopoly.
Look how well they've done...
> In a similar way, Microsoft has "had an impact" on technology that
> justifies their position as number one on the chart.
Poor hypocrite Rex, going to work day after day and using MS products and
hawking proprietary IBM solutions, then sliming onto cola to insult MS and
pretend to be a Linux "visionary and advocate". In reality, your use of
Linux/OSS begins and ends at your wallet. Same is true of most so-called
"Linux advocates".
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