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> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
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>> ____/ Mark Kent on Thursday 05 June 2008 23:20 : \____
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>>> bbgruff <bbgruff@xxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> "egg" and "face" are the two words that come to mind..... although in
>>>>>> these parts, "they buggered it up between them" might well be better
>>>>>> understood!
>>>>>
>>>>> The egg-throwing routine was lame.
>>>>
>>>> Oh dear - my fault.
>>>> I'd quite forgotten *that* episode!
>>>>
>>>> Nono - I really did mean that both MS and ISO ended up with egg on their
>>>> face:-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, most standards bodies suffer similar potential weakness,
>>> because /someone/ has to put the work in. The IETF is one of the
>>> weakest here, because you only have to turn up to vote, but contrarily,
>>> if you're not there, you *lose* your vote completely.
>>>
>>> I think that the best way forward might be to move these bodies away
>>> from using behind-closed-doors plenaries to a fully open and visible
>>> voting process, perhaps held online.
>>>
>>> There is no reasonable excuse for ignoring the thousands of issues
>>> raised, instead, a full and detailed discussion should've taken place,
>>> perhaps by email, with publicly available email list records, so that
>>> everyone could see it happening.
>>>
>>> I think that whatever happens, the ISO will never be the same again.
>>> It could never be seen as being fully above board, instead, there will
>>> always be a suspicion of corruption about whatever they do.
>>
>> They recently approached the IEEE and there's worry that they
>> couuld 'contaminate' them too, personnel- or reputation-wise.
>>
>
> Putting my ultra-cynical hat on, I'd say that there's nothing in the
> IEEE to make them any less prone to corruption, in fact, they're
> probably more so, as their oversight is very limited indeed. I know
> that their ethernet stuff usually just follows what a particular
> manufacturer has developed, so I doubt that they're any more shiny than
> ISO.
>
> ISO, however, were publicly caught in their corruption.
>
Re: IEEE, yes, it's very true in wireless. I thing that Rambus is a classic
(multi-billion-dollar case) and there's 3G.
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