ray wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:26:16 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:33:47 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> 10 Reasons to Switch to Linux
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Gist ]
>>>>>> 1. It Doesn't Crash
>>>>
>>>> So what if the kernel is stable? So is Win2K, Win XP, Win Server
>>>> 2000/2003 and Win Vista.
>>>>
>>>> Linux apps, however, stutter and freeze and crash OFTEN relative to
>>>> commercial apps.
>>>
>>> Strange - I don't encounter that.
>>
>> Yes you do, if you actually use Linux.
Utter bullshit. As the DooFu$ troll would know if *he* actually used Linux.
> Run it exclusively on six machines plus nine I admin for the local
> library. "Strange - I don't encounter that."
Nor do I, on any of my machines.
>>>>>> 2. Viruses Are Few and Far Between
>>>>
>>>> But security vulnerabilities are extremely rampant, and if Linux ever
>>>> gains big market share they will be targeted and exploited more and
>>>> more. Wasn't long ago that a bunch of Canonical servers were taken
>>>> control of.
More bullshit from DooFu$. Linux machines & servers (& the Internet runs on more
linux servers than M$ ones) are *highly* prized by crackers. The fact is that
M$ are by *far* easier to crack.
>>> Who gives a rat's ass why it's more secure? I don't care if it's
>>> because it's not targeted or not - fact is - I don't have to worry
>>> about it.
>>
>> You must be one of the admins of those Canonical servers that were
>> hacked.
>
> Haven't been hacked yet after five years.
Nor have I, after 10 years.
>>> Frankly, I think it's because the whole *nix idea is inherently more
>>> secure.
>>
>> It is, but 'more secure' doesn't protect you.
A damn sight more than the M$ toy does.
>>>>>> 3. Virtually Hardware-Independent
>>>>
>>>> Tell us all about your non-x86 hardware and how often you run it, cola
>>>> wacks. Make sure to lie and exaggerate as usual.
>>>
>>> I don't gererally, but I sure as hell can if I want. BTW - I found out
>>> recently that XP has NO widescreen video drivers available for my mini-
>>> itx. Fortunately, it works quite well with Linux.
>>
>> What vendor, make and model mini-itx? Onboard video? Give me some
>> details so I can find out if you're lying.
>
> VIA EPIA M10K Nehemiah. Yes, onboard VIA video - if you check the forums
> at viaarena you'll see that I posted a query to the mini-itx forum and
> the XP forum and got the same answer in both.
>
>>
>> And what does "works quite well" mean?
>
> Means it runs quite well. No particular hesitation. I run Gentoo on it
> with Gnome and response is quite similar to the AMD 2800 running xp.
>
>>
>> Just because there are no XP-specific drivers for that video chipset
>> doesn't mean other Windows drivers won't work. I run WinServer 2003,
>> and there are very few 2003-specific drivers for lots of things, but the
>> XP or 2000 drivers often work just fine.
>
> I've not been able to find one yet - and as I've noted, was told in the
> XP forum at viaarena that it does not exist.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> 4. Freedom of Choice
>>>>
>>>> Not an advantage or reason to use Linux, and something cola
>>>> "advocates" believe in only when the choices are the ones they want.
>>>
>>> How are you to know if the choices are the ones you want if you don't
>>> have any choice?
>>
>> Why are you talking in circles? And why don't you have any choice?
>> Last I checked I bought DR-DOS, BeOS, OS/2, and Linux at retail.
>>
>> "No choice" in the OS market - a condition that doesn't actually exist
>> except in the simpleton minds of cola wacks - is a direct result of
>> nobody buying the choices you think should exist, but won't buy when
>> they do.
>>
>> You guys are your own worst enemies.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Yes, choice is nice - choice of distribution; choice of browser; choice
>>> of office suite; . . .
>>
>> hmmmm... how do you choose your distro and open source office suite?
>
> I find one that works well for the particular application. I use Ubuntu
> on five home computers and Gentoo on my mini-itx. Usually use AbiWord and
> Gnumeric because they are faster than OO. How do I choose? I try them and
> see which fits best.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> 5. Standards
>>>>
>>>> "For instance, PostgreSQL has extensions for geometric data types.
>>>> Other vendors won't support these extensions; they are specific to
>>>> PostgreSQL." http://www.commandprompt.com/ppbook/c20820
>>>>
>>>> OpenOffice doesn't present as big a lock-in problem as MS Office?
>>>>
>>>> Keep telling yourself this BS about Linux/OSS adhering to "standards";
>>>> it's the only way you'll get through one day as an OSS "advocate".
>>>
>>> Since OO will import and export MS office and WordPerfect, you're
>>> damned right there is no 'lock-in'.
>>
>> And since every bit of PostgreSQL-specific and OpenOffice Basic code you
>> write will have to be rewritten or tossed out if you move away from
>> OpenOffice, you're damned wrong there is no lock-in.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> 6. Applications, Applications, Applications
>>>>
>>>> (cr)applications, (cr)applications, (cr)applications. Worth every
>>>> penny, too!
>>>
>>> Exactly! For instance, I've found OpenOffice Impress to be much more
>>> intuitive than MS PowerPoint. I could never figure out how to do a
>>> damned thing in PowerPoint - and I've never met anyone who can who
>>> didn't learn how in a class;
>>
>> You're kidding, raytard? Anyone who can't create a PowerPoint slide is
>> a mouth-breathing idiot.
>>
>>
>>> I've used Impress and sent in documents in PP format that worked
>>> exactly as intended.
>>
>> When opened in PowerPoint they didn't look exactly as intended.
>
> Produced the entire layout for the church directory using it. Olan Mills
> had zero complaints.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> 7. Interoperability
>>>>
>>>> huh? Since when can I control Evolution calendaring and appointments
>>>> from within OpenOffice Base (like I can control MS Outlook calendaring
>>>> and appointments from within MS Access)? Since when can I attach
>>>> Oracle databases to MySQL like I can attach Oracle databases to MS SQL
>>>> Server?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Don't know. In 30+ years as a computer professional, I've never needed
>>> to do that.
>>
>> Sample of one! Meanwhile, thousands and thousands of corporations need
>> or want to do both.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> 8. It's a Community Relationship, Not a Customer Relationship
>>>>
>>>> Novell, RedHat, Xandros, Mandriva. Money, money, money, money.
>>>
>>> OpenSUSE, Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva - free, free, free, free.
>>
>> Novell, RedHat, Xandros, Mandriva.
>> Money, money, money, money.
>> Customer, customer, customer, customer. Scam, scam, scam, scam.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> 9. It's Not How Big Your Processor Is...
>>>>
>>>> True - Linux isn't snappy on any processor.
>>>
>>> But, evidently, a lot better than Vista - try running it on a 1.0 ghz
>>> VIA C3.
>>
>> You try it. I don't have a VIA C3 system.
>
> Are you kidding me? It barely runs XP! Would you try vista on a 700 mhz
> Celeron? I'm told that's about what it is equivalent to.
>
>>
>>
>>> Gentoo runs quite nicely for me.
>>
>> Gentoo and what window manager? Anything but KDE is not close to
>> competing with Vista (based on features).
>
> I use Gnome. I used to use KDE on it, but quite frankly, I now prefer
> Gnome - it seems more professional and cleaner to me.
>
>>
>> And why would I want to run a slower yet more costly chip like a VIA C3?
>
> Slower yes. Less power consumption yes. More costly B.S. I recently got a
> gOS motherboard from ClubIT.com for $60 - with onboard VIA C7 1.5ghz. And
> that is plenty of power; unless you require vista.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> 10. Linux Is Configurable
>>>>
>>>> Sizeable advantage to Linux here.
>>>
>>> No, a MAJOR advantage.
>>
>> I said sizeable, but if you want to argue: the Linux configuration
>> options are powerful, but basically useless to almost everyone who uses
>> a computer. Except for hardcore *nix geeks and sysadmins, virtually
>> nobody cares they can run Linux with no window manager/desktop, or run
>> it headless.
>>
>> People use computers for the apps: MAJOR advantage to Windows.
A few of the wintrolls in here seem to be more concerned about games, not apps.
Linux users use computers for the apps: MAJOR advantage to Linux.
> Except that after you buy your MS computer you're going to spend about
> $2500 getting basic apps up. Linux includes them for free.
>
MAJOR advantage to Linux!
>>>>> http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000117
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