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[News] Miguel de Icaza Spills the Bean on Mono: It's a Patent Trap

  • Subject: [News] Miguel de Icaza Spills the Bean on Mono: It's a Patent Trap
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:34:50 +0000
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • Organization: Freelance
  • User-agent: KNode/0.10.4
Scoble: "I saw that internally inside Microsoft many times when I was told to
stay away from supporting Mono in public. They reserve the right to sue."

http://twitter.com/Scobleizer/statuses/764673949

MIX - Novell's de Icaza criticizes Microsoft patent deal

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| Open-source pioneer and Novell Vice President Miguel de Icaza Thursday for 
| the first time publicly slammed his company's cross-patent licensing 
| agreement with Microsoft as he defended himself against lack of patent 
| protection for third parties that distribute his company's Moonlight project, 
| which ports Microsoft's Silverlight technology to Linux.    
| 
| Speaking on a panel at the MIX 08 conference in Las Vegas, de Icaza said that 
| Novell has done the best it could to balance open-source interests with 
| patent indemnification. However, if he had his way, the company would have 
| remained strictly open source and not gotten into bed with Microsoft. Novell 
| entered into a controversial multimillion dollar cross-patent licensing and 
| interoperability deal with Microsoft in November 2006.     
| 
| "I'm not happy about the fact that such an agreement was made, but [the 
| decision] was above my pay grade; I think we should have stayed with the 
| open-source community," de Icaza said. He was speaking on a panel that also 
| included representatives from Microsoft and open-source companies Mozilla and 
| Zend.    
| 
| [...]
| 
| De Icaza shot back that it was "unfair" of Schroepfer to paint Novell as the 
| only company protected by patent covenants, as many companies have signed 
| licensing agreements not only with Microsoft, but also with other companies 
| such as IBM that have a large patent portfolio.   
| 
| [...]
| 
| The choice has drawn ire from open-source diehards who were displeased with 
| Novell’s decision to sign a cross-licensing agreement with Microsoft in the 
| first place. A Web site called “Boycott Novell” decried Moonlight as a 
| Microsoft “pet project” and criticized the company’s decision not to port 
| Silverlight to Linux itself.    
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http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/03/06/mix-novells-de-icaza-criticizes-microsoft-patent-deal

He was lying all along.

Microsoft indemnifies Novell Moonlight users

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| "We should have stayed with the open source community," de Icaza said but 
| added: "That's better than saying we might be infringing but we are going to 
| stick it to the man... I think we've done as well as we could."  
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http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/03/06/microsoft_moonlight_patent_protection/

Blog: Is Microsoft really lending Linux a helping hand?

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| Microsoft's patent pledge is perhaps more worrying. It has promised not to 
| assert patent claims against developers working on open-source projects, but 
| the cover does not apply to commercial distributors of those projects, so 
| distributors like Red Hat are still very much at threat. In broader terms, it 
| undermines one of the basic tenants of open-source -- that the user can, 
| within the licence requirements, do whatever they like with the software -- 
| since the user is only free from the threat of patent claims until they start 
| charging money.       
| 
| Ultimately, Microsoft's sincerity is in question, with many speculating that 
| its true motives remain hidden. If Microsoft is genuine, only consistent good 
| deeds will counter its history and silence the critics.  
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http://www.pcauthority.com.au/news.aspx?CIaNID=71576

It figures.


Related:

Simple mental exercise: Identify the OS!

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mono\gac\System.ServiceProcess\2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a\System.ServiceProcess.dll
mono\gac\System.Transactions\2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.Transactions.dll
mono\gac\System.Web.Services\2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a\System.Web.Services.dll
mono\gac\System.Web\2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a\System.Web.dll
mono\gac\System.Xml\2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.Xml.dll
mono\gac\System\2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.dll
|
|
| Hint: Replace the backslashes with slashes, then prefix each path 
| with /usr/lib/. 
| 
| The correct answer is: no, it's not Microsoft Windows, it's Debian 
| GNU/Linux "Lenny" (testing), with the minimum dependencies needed to run 
| F-Spot! (Actually, I guess that all not the files are needed, but this is how 
| they package them, and how the dependencies are set.)   
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http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/02/20/10/22/59-simple-mental-exercise-identify-


OpenSolaris, Gobuntu, and be careful who you kiss

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| I read the agreement between Xandros and Microsoft, and one of the excluded 
| products was Mono, so Microsoft promises to not sue Xandros over their 
| distribution but excluding Mono and a few other products, i.e. they reserve 
| the right to sue over Mono. I wonder if this is an interesting preview of on 
| what basis they want to fight the free world.    
| 
| Interestingly, the Novell deal seems to be different, Mono is not excluded 
| from the Novell deal. So Microsoft seems to be promising not to sue Novell 
| over Mono, but keeps the option open for Xandros. Weird but true.  
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http://commandline.org.uk/2007/be-careful-who-you-kiss/


Miguel, Mono and Microsoft

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| is Mono's role in the deal that of a hook to make customers write
| .NET applications because they can be run on Linux - only to find
| later on that they are armless or legless because of a change in
| the .NETspecifications, a change which Microsoft decides not to
| make public?
| 
| [...]
| 
| And here we have an individual who decides to replicate one of
| the proprietary company's development environments - for reasons
| best known to him alone - and keeps telling people that the reason
| he's doing it is so that he can pull people over from the
| proprietary company's side to his side!!!
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http://www.itwire.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11081&Itemid=1091

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