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[News] Red Hat, Oracle and Many Others Call for Rejection of Microsoft OOXML

  • Subject: [News] Red Hat, Oracle and Many Others Call for Rejection of Microsoft OOXML
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:38:08 +0000
  • Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
  • Organization: Freelance
  • User-agent: KNode/0.10.4
Red Hat Opposes OOXML

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| As the March 29th voting deadline on OOXML approaches, Red Hat has announced 
| its support of Open Document Format (ODF) instead of Office Open XML (OOXML). 
| 
| [...]
| 
| Regardless of the complexity of the specifications, it is thought that OOXML 
| is not currently defined enough to be fully implementable by those without 
| access to inside information. ECMA, for example, acknowledges that additional 
| information is necessary for compatibility with legacy application settings, 
| and promises that the information will be made available. While it’s helpful 
| to acknowledge the limitations of OOXML, we think it is unfair to ask the  
| nation bodies, as members of ISO, to approve an incomplete standard. Given 
| the lack of interoperability and inadequate review, Red Hat is asking members 
| of ISO to vote “No” to OOXML this month.       
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http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/03/13/red-hat-opposes-ooxml/

The Disharmony of OOXML

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| An easy counter-example is HTML. Does HTML reflect the internals of NCSA 
| Mosiac? Does it represent the internals of Netscape Navigator? Firefox? 
| Opera? Safari? Are any faults in HTML justified by what a single browser does 
| internally? Applications should follow standards, not the other way around.   
| 
| [...]
| 
| What is the engineering justification for this [OOXML] horror? I have no 
| doubt that this accurately reflects the internals of Microsoft Office, and 
| shows how these three applications have been developed by three different 
| isolated teams. But is this a suitable foundation for an International 
| Standard?    
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http://www.robweir.com/blog/2008/03/disharmony-of-ooxml.html

Oracle: Unresolved Technical Concerns In DIS 29500 (OOXML)

,----[ Quote ]
| There are a number of fairly large scope changes that are the result of 
| proposed changes from Ecma. Worse yet, the actual changes will not be known 
| until some time after the BRM (when the editor releases the final draft), and 
| will not be available for in time for national bodies before they must make a 
| final decision on the specification.    
`----

http://odfalliance.org/resources/Oracle%20Technical%20Concerns%20DIS29500.pdf

More new ones here: http://odfalliance.org/ooxml.php


Related:

More Irregularities in the OOXML ISO Process Surface

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| If you read about what happened there in that article, "OOXML in Norway: The 
| haywire process," your jaw will simply drop. I do think there is something 
| the matter with the ISO process if this is how it works.  
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070827111019189


OOXML in Norway: The haywire process

,----[ Quote ]
| I believe that anything that sanctions unfair competition is bad. I believe 
| in a world where the threshold for competition is low and where everyone are  
| free to easily innovate. 
`----

http://blogs.freecode.no/isene/?p=3


Microsoft Hires Programmer to edit Wikipedia Entry For OOXML

http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/79130/index.html


No is no, to OOXML

,----[ Quote ]
| I’ve heard several reports of supporters of OOXML trying to get national 
| standards bodies to change their votes from “NO with comments” to “YES with 
| comments” because “it’s the same thing.” The logic, which I’ll explain in a 
| later post, is that any comments will trigger a ballot resolution meeting, so 
| there is no need to be so negative and vote NO.    
`----

http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=1762


What Happened in Germany [on OOXML]

,----[ Quote ]
| It looks like Germany is the new Portugal, actually. You do remember how in 
| Portugal IBM and Sun were not allowed in the room because it was 
| allegedly "too small" despite having empty chairs? Well, in Germany, Google 
| and Deutsche Telekom were allowed in the room but were not allowed to vote, 
| heise says.    
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070824123112581


IBM is still locked out of the Portuguese OOXML meeting

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| In spite of various communications, we [IBM] are still locked out and will 
| not be allowed to participate. Microsoft will be there, as well as a special 
| Microsoft guest, as will various Microsoft business partners, and others.  
`----

http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=1755


Microsoft Looks for the Big Guns in OOXML In-Fighting

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| Bill Gates has reportedly been making phone calls to the Secretary of Defense 
| and the Secretary of Commerce to push the American National Standards 
| Institute to ignore the votes of its advisory committees and vote "yes" on 
| ISO standardizing Microsoft's Open Office XML (OOXML) format, the one in 
| competition with the OpenDocument Format (ODF) pushed by IBM and Sun.    
| 
| Gates reportedly picked up the phone when the last INCITS ballot failed by 
| one vote to support Microsoft. 
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http://xml.sys-con.com/read/419573_p.htm


,----[ Quote ]
| "Sadly, many of these brilliant people have been blinded by the stock
| price and unable to see that Microsoft is also the key architect of
| the greatest financial pyramid scheme this century. 
| 
|  It is not uncommon for participants in pyramid schemes to lose their
| emotional bearings. My close friends who work at Microsoft are
| particularly upset over my work and it is possible that even Bill
| Gates and Steve Ballmer do not realize the implications of their
| financial practices."
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http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html


,----[ Quote ]
| "As with all pyramid schemes, it is important to get as close to tier
| 1 as possible. From a practical standpoint, usually only tiers 1 and 2
| will derive significant long-term economic rewards from such schemes."
| 
| "Microsoft has clearly entered a phase of self destructive behavior
| that began with the "tissue paper campaign" in 1995. This report will
| document this campaign for the first time."
`----

http://reactor-core.org/microsoft-pyramid.html

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