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Re: [News] Microsoft OOXML: Fail

Jesper Lund Stocholm <jls2008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
> Mark Kent <mark.kent@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> news:n50ga5-voc.ln1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: 
> 
>> Jesper Lund Stocholm <jls2008@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> espoused:
>>> Mark Kent <mark.kent@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>> news:2mgfa5-grd.ln1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: 
> 
>>>> Which is a strange ruling.  Why not say /which/ delegates object ,
>>>> say, and determine that their pictures may not be taken, but anyone
>>>> else's can?
>>> 
>>> Well - as it turned out we all took pictures in there -  but made
>>> sure none of the other delegates were in them.
>> 
>> Precisely the intention of this "ban", I think.
> 
> ok
> 
>> Whyever not?  There's never been a camera ban in the UN-based stuff
>> which I've done, nor has there been in any of the UK co-ord stuff,
>> either.
> 
> Well, I cannot answer this. Do note that the cameras are present "on the 
> floor" where the final debate is taken place in e.g. UN. There is no 
> camera in the rooms adjecent to the "floor" where the real negociations 
> take place. In the BRM, the floor was where stuff was negociated.

Quite, so no viable reason for this ban, then, other than people trying
to hide themselves.

> 
>> In a perhaps misguided attempt to hide from view, in the hope that
>> those most directly involved in trying to corrupt the processes and
>> function of ISO might not be so visible, perhaps?
> 
> I think it is a little far fetched. I was thinking about it today on my 
> way to the Danish NSB and a reason for not allowing cameras in the room 
> could be that most of the HoDs were "old standards people" not used to 
> the publicity. Well - it's just a quess.

I'm an "old standards person" and we used to take photos, there was
never a problem, and we were not embarrassed about what we were doing.
No, I believe that some consciences are stirring.

> 
>>> It is not as if you can hide your 
>>> participation. A roster of delegates including emails, national body 
>>> affiliation and names was made on the first day and made available to
>>> the SC34-members.
>> 
>> Indeed, but you can /very easily/  influence debate without ever going
>> on the record as having done so.  
> 
> Yes - but a camera in the room does squat to change this ... there will 
> always be corridor-talk - regardless of a camera in the room.
> 

No, but the camera *can* show who was doing it, because it shows who was
present, even if the meeting notes make no particular reference to any
part they took.

I was a rapporteur and delegate for many years, I know how this stuff
works.

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