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> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> He no longer bother pretending that he's not Gary Stewart (flatfish).
^s (typo)
> Roy could you please explain to the lurkers (like me) who are latecomers to
> the COLA group who exactly Gary Stewart is, how it was discovered that it
> is actually him posting the derogatory garbage against linux & the history
> behind his blatent contempt for Linux. if you would not mind.
Gary never posts under his real name, but he has used hundreds of others to
produce fake testimonials, spread libel (sometimes under the name of the
person he was libeling), trash and harass many other newsgroups, and drive
away people who read this group using obscenities, demoralising lies, even
personal insults (thus deterring participation). He was also trying to get
people who advocate Free software in trouble with their employer.
Gary's identity was exposed years ago and he mistakenly (accidentally rather)
confirmed this to be true over a year ago.
> personally, i would like to see him lose his internet connection. he does
> not know how to behave.
Someone who mailed me wanted him in prison for computer crimes of some sorts. I
don't know if this is true though. The message did not give evidence.
Some of his identities you can find in http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/
I'm appending some old E-mails to avoid being repetitive and I hope this helps.
Bear in mind that Microsoft DOES hire people to do these sorts of stunts. It
has agencies like Edelman and W-E to do its Web marketing and smear campaigns
are well documented (let me know if you want to see an accumulation of these).
Microsoft AstroTurfing was documented by the press too, e.g. in:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.os2.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/64f04547e2784c20/ec1a6610141fd9b6?lnk=st
**Newspaper exposes "Steve Barkto" as MS agent**
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: jmur...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (John - Murphy)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 18:49:10 GMT
Local: Sun, Mar 20 1994 6:49 pm
Subject: Newspaper exposes "Steve Barkto" as MS agent
Sunday, March 20, the San Jose Mercury News published a front page
article on the agent provocatour, alias, Steve Barkto. The article
quotes William Zachmann as saying he tracked down Mr. "Barkto" on
his Compuserve forum, after this new member made disparaging remarks
about IBM, and in particular, OS/2.
Mr. "Barkto" is not a major customer of IBM, but an employee or agent
of Microsoft. The account which this mole used, was paid for by the
good old folks at MS.
I wrote an letter to Congressman Norm Mineta (D-San Jose) asking that
the U.S. Dept. of Justice look into unfair trade practices of MS. In
particular, the relationship between computer system manufactures,
and MS.
I wonder how many messages we get on this USENET and others, that
originate from the corporate headquarters of Microsoft?
John Murphy
Commerical Brokers Insurance
San Jose, CA
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He mainly focuses on /comp.os.linux.advocacy/ but he regularly (cross-)posts
to other groups, & to non-computer related groups.
Gary Stewart on c-24-60-155-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net
This was investigated & tied this very same address to the "linux-sux troll.
This address is a cable user in Mass.
Apparently Gary Stewart IS the linux-sux troll as well as being the flatfish
troll.
He lives at one of these addresses:
93 Thayer St, Millville, MA
30 Chickatawbut St, Dorchester, MA
229 N Brookfield Rd, Barre, MA
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From: "mjcr" <m...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <pan.2001.11.04.18.40.04.948.1091@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.linux.sux
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:12:12 -0800
That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
has gone by the false identities of:
quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn Lebowitz,
the_flatfish, juke_joint, Whizzer, whppier, t, WinRulez, linux_sux, Jeff
Szarka, Collie Entragion, Deadpenguin, , ., Amy, BklynBoy, Claire Lynn,
[Ff]latfish+++, [fF]latfish, [Ff]latfish++++, Grendel, Heather, Heather69,
Ishmeal Hafizi, Jerry Butler, McSwain, Mike Hunt, Mike, Pickle Pete,
Proculous, S, Sarek, Saul Goldblatt, Saul, Sewer Rat, Simon, Simon777,
Sponge, Steve, Susan Wong, Susie Wong, Swango, Syphon, Tiberious, Tim
Palmer, Willy Wong, Wobbles, bison, hepcat, keymaster, keys88, leg log,
noone, piddy, screwbilk, scummer, steveno, teknite, trailerpark, unknown,
wazzoo, whparker, nob...@xxxxxxxxxxx, bill.gates.loves.me,
%^$&&&&&&&&&&&&@!!!!!!!!!!!!!.com,
I will now provide my train of reasoning in determining that he/she/it is
Gary.
Soon after I started reading COLA, I had my first run in with this person.
At the time he was using the names of Simon777, Susie Wong, and Willy
Wong. I really took notice of him as more than just a passing troll, when
he spent nearly 12 hours trying to get past my firewall. That lead to a
series of exchanges that showd that Gary had comitted identity theft by
using the the email address of real persons to hide behind. Gary
professed his innocent transgression and established the account of
deadpeng...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx He then claimed that would be his only
identity from then on, this account was a real one. But it didn't last
soon Claire Lynn had come along. Just like with the attacks of 9/11 Gary
had professed the profound effect it had on his values, and that "The OS
Wars" were over for him; we now see how empty a statement that really was.
At first I noted a feeling of Deja Vue while reading Gary's prattlings.
Then with his use of Keymaster an identity and his statements of
having been a sysop of a BBS, I started suspecting that I knew who he is.
For a while I intended to watch and wait and compare details. As time
carried on, I became more an more certain of his identity because he kept
using identies that I have seen before and has kept using language and
phrasings that I have seen before. What is more both the phrasing and the
identites came from the same person from the days of computer Bulletin
Board Systems.
Now let's take a look at Gary M. Stewart from his days as a BBS sysop.
Gary was known for using multiple identities. He was quite militant
against certain brands of software.
The BBS was a Telegard BBS named "The Great AbysS". The official handle
of the sysop of the board was Keymaster; however, he would normally post
in the echoes as Gary M. Stewart (sometimes without the middle initial).
The Great AbysS was the centeral hub for GaSpNet a Fido Technology based
Network owned by Gary. The Great AbysS was also a node on a number of
other BBS networks: Fidonet, UGNGASP (was GaSpNet before the name change),
NIRVANAnet, Paul Revere Net, PODnet. Gary was running a FUD campain
againt Renegade BBS and OS/2, and by extension IBM PS/2's. Gary was also
a beta tester of Telegard BBS.
One day his BBS stopped running taking with it GaSpNet. He started
leaving messages on other BBS's of the then late GaSpNet begging for
donations to repair his BBS. After collecting a sizeable sum, (so it was
claimed), rather than repairing his BBS and going back on-line and
bringing his network back to life, he moved back east with the money. He
was the thirdsysop in the area to pull a stunt like that. Gary's stunt
marked the beginning of the end of BBS's in this area. Callers and
fellow sysops were nologer too willing to pay for BBS access or to help a
sysop in financial trouble keep his BBS running.
Here are some quotes of statments by Gary or reguarding Gary in his
network's echoes that are quite similar to the pratling of Gary here in
COLA.
In reply to a request by a caller for the evidence of his claims that
Telegard 2.5g source code was pirated:
- -----included text---------
Papers! Papers! Papers! Ve must see your papers!
You're almost 50 years too late.
Burned any good Jews?
- -----end included text---------
Reply to a question asking what is wrong with Renegade BBS:
- -----included text---------
Renegade is a fuckin abortion.
Telegard RULEZ!!!!!
- -----end included text---------
In response to an inquiry about the value of gaining OS/2 experience.
- -----included text---------
OS/2 sucks
DOS rules
PM SUCKS
Windows RULZ.
Now get to fuck off my board.
- -----end included text---------
- From a sysop of another BBS that was a node on GaSpNet:
- -----included text---------
Hey! Keymaster, Gary, Steve, Mike, Simon or whoever the fuck you are
calling youself today!
[...]
- -----end included text---------
After locking out a "caller" to The Great AbysS and announcing it via
an echo of GaSpNet:
- From one sysop:
- -----included text---------
Awwww come on! Let Tim back on...or we will never hear from you again,
keymaster. We know that Tim = keymaster = Alice = Gary = you.
NOW CUT THE ACT!
- -----end included text---------
- From another sysop:
- -----included text---------
OK, Gary, Simon, winrulez, drkool, keymaster, Mike, W.J. Quimby, Tim
you got tired of your "Tim" name but you don't got to make this show
of lockin it out.
- -----end included text---------
I guess Gary is one old dog that can not give up his old tricks and it is
those tricks that lead to his identity. Just like how Quimby was cought
today by Terry Porter was the same method I used to identify Gary as the
person who tried to crack into my systems.
I find the odds that these two persons, Gary and he/she/it are not one
and the same to be quite slim. That said, even with Gary's name exposed,
he is still anonymous enough. There are at least 19 Gary Stewart's in
the state of New York and 4 more in the state of New Jersey.
I run Linux, no bloody RedHat, Debian, Slackware, or Corel, just Linux.
Linux accepted my new hardware without any effort on my part.
Windows took one look at my new hardware and committed suicide.
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Also:
From: flatfish@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Come and meet Gary "flatfish" Stewart
Message-ID: <ulvdutcqscs2jtfplibb75lrg6s5fhegq7@xxxxxxx>
On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:12:12 -0800, "mjcr" <m...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
>winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
>has gone by the false identities of:
Gee that's news to me......
The real Gary was very easy to find, although not in NY anymore.
I'll give ya a hint, it ain't me.
I'll give you another piece of advice.
Think "Defamation of Character", not by me (because that is not my
name, or even my gender), but possibly by him or in fact legally, any
of the "Gary M. Stewart's" in the NY/NJ phone book and are a phone
call away from being informed of your little witch hunt.
In short, you damm well better be able to prove your accusations and
cut and paste fabricated logs will not suffice.
For starters you got the wrong gender.
For closers, you aren't even in the right state of the union, or mind
for that matter, but we shall address that later.
>quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn Lebowitz,
>the_flatfish, juke_joint, Whizzer, whppier, t, WinRulez, linux_sux, Jeff
>Szarka, Collie Entragion, Deadpenguin, , ., Amy, BklynBoy, Claire Lynn,
>[Ff]latfish+++, [fF]latfish, [Ff]latfish++++, Grendel, Heather, Heather69,
>Ishmeal Hafizi, Jerry Butler, McSwain, Mike Hunt, Mike, Pickle Pete,
>Proculous, S, Sarek, Saul Goldblatt, Saul, Sewer Rat, Simon, Simon777,
>Sponge, Steve, Susan Wong, Susie Wong, Swango, Syphon, Tiberious, Tim
>Palmer, Willy Wong, Wobbles, bison, hepcat, keymaster, keys88, leg log,
>noone, piddy, screwbilk, scummer, steveno, teknite, trailerpark, unknown,
>wazzoo, whparker, nob...@xxxxxxxxxxx, bill.gates.loves.me,
>%^$&&&&&&&&&&&&@!!!!!!!!!!!!!.com,
Yawwwnnn...Ya missed a few, but that will actually work in your favor
in the number of counts filed against you.
>I will now provide my train of reasoning in determining that he/she/it is
>Gary.
Reasoning?
Is that what you call it?
Looks more like cut and paste fairy-tale time to me.
>Soon after I started reading COLA, I had my first run in with this person.
>At the time he was using the names of Simon777, Susie Wong, and Willy
>Wong. I really took notice of him as more than just a passing troll, when
>he spent nearly 12 hours trying to get past my firewall.
Gee. It was 10 hours in a previous message and the ip address of the
culprit shows an Earthlink Dialup.
Wonder how "Gary" pulled that one off considering they flush the lines
every 8 hours or so. Worldnet flushes them 7.5 hours to the second,
although they won't admit it.
So "Gary" wasted all his bandwidth pinging you and then after being
flushed, ended up with exactly the same IP address?
Oh yea BTW...How did "Gary" get your IP address in the first place?
And another thing, why didn't you contact the offenders ISP and get
him/her tossed?
You were obviously disturbed by the event having recorded and kept
logs, like a true soldier, all these years.
Why not report him/her?
Seems simple to me if you have real proof that is.
Of course the ISP is going to run a trace and see that your
accusations are fabrications
That is why you never reported it because you knew all along.
And since Mindspring and Earthlink are really one and the same, you
would look like a complete idiot (which normally you do anyway) so you
chose to make things up instead.
> That lead to a
>series of exchanges that showd that Gary had comitted identity theft by
>using the the email address of real persons to hide behind.
No...It lead to a mistake whereby somebody mistakenly used an email
address already in use by another person and this was quickly
rectified.
Happens all the time her' mcjr, except in the case of people who are
foolish enough to use their own names and id's.
Speaking of which, do you realize that you piss off people in every
group you frequent.
Google confirms that nicely. You make enemies at every turn of the
bit.
God I love Google!
Must be the German in me.....
> Gary
>professed his innocent transgression and established the account of
>deadpeng...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Was this "Gary"?
Proof please.
Gee could have fooled me.
> He then claimed that would be his only
>identity from then on, this account was a real one.
Oh I see... You had to fill out an entire new set of "papers" and this
made work for you.
Gotta be accurate you know her' mjcr, accuracy counts.
- From what history tells us they knew exactly how many seconds it
took...well you get the idea her' mcjr.
Oh BTW why don't you tell the story of how you made veiled threats
against several people for using the word geek.
Better get ready to sue FOX TV because they have a show by that name.
> But it didn't last
>soon Claire Lynn had come along.
It's a miracle. Another troll is born.
> Just like with the attacks of 9/11 Gary
>had professed the profound effect it had on his values, and that "The OS
>Wars" were over for him; we now see how empty a statement that really was.
The only thing that appears empty around here, excepting for your head
of course, is your lack of any solid proof.
But let us continue.
>At first I noted a feeling of Deja Vue while reading Gary's prattlings.
>Then with his use of Keymaster an identity and his statements of
>having been a sysop of a BBS, I started suspecting that I knew who he is.
Keymaster?
Do a search on google and you will find THOUSANDS of keymasters all
the way from musicians, to hackers to locksmiths, to security people
to dungeon and dragon people.
Very popular handle.
>For a while I intended to watch and wait and compare details. As time
>carried on, I became more an more certain of his identity because he kept
>using identies that I have seen before and has kept using language and
>phrasings that I have seen before. What is more both the phrasing and the
>identites came from the same person from the days of computer Bulletin
>Board Systems.
And your proof is?
Some made up, cut and pasted text.
ha!
That's a good one.
>Now let's take a look at Gary M. Stewart from his days as a BBS sysop.
>Gary was known for using multiple identities. He was quite militant
>against certain brands of software.
Militant? You mean like Terry, Max, Jedi and others are.
Your proof again?
More cut and paste?
Sorry, that don't cut it....
>The BBS was a Telegard BBS named "The Great AbysS". The official handle
>of the sysop of the board was Keymaster; however, he would normally post
>in the echoes as Gary M. Stewart (sometimes without the middle initial).
Keymaster?
8660 hits on Google.....
Seems pretty popular.
That's like walking into Harlem and looking for a guy named
Tyrone......
Or walking into Williamsburg and looking for a guy named Morrie.
Did I say Morrie?
Ooops....
>The Great AbysS was the centeral hub for GaSpNet a Fido Technology based
>Network owned by Gary. The Great AbysS was also a node on a number of
>other BBS networks: Fidonet, UGNGASP (was GaSpNet before the name change),
>NIRVANAnet, Paul Revere Net, PODnet. Gary was running a FUD campain
>againt Renegade BBS and OS/2, and by extension IBM PS/2's. Gary was also
>a beta tester of Telegard BBS.
Ahhh so NOW we know the reason for your deep seated hatred of this guy
Gary.
He slandered the PS/2.
BTW where is your proof?
Not that "Gary" upset your fruit basket (emphases on FRUIT,
de-emphasis on basket, as in basket-case), but that I am Gary?
>One day his BBS stopped running taking with it GaSpNet. He started
>leaving messages on other BBS's of the then late GaSpNet begging for
>donations to repair his BBS. After collecting a sizeable sum, (so it was
>claimed), rather than repairing his BBS and going back on-line and
>bringing his network back to life, he moved back east with the money.
Your proof that this "Gary" was me?
Oh I see.... I took all that money and that is why I don't have to
work anymore...
Yea that makes sense.
> He
>was the thirdsysop in the area to pull a stunt like that.
Maybe he got sick of you harassing him?
Sounds to me like you were stupid enough to send him money and now
realize what a fool you were.
> Gary's stunt
>marked the beginning of the end of BBS's in this area. Callers and
>fellow sysops were nologer too willing to pay for BBS access or to help a
>sysop in financial trouble keep his BBS running.
Gee that's really strange, because my BBS (on RIME running Wildcat!)
didn't cost a dime other than the extra line at $12.00/month, a one
time software purchase, almost free modems from USR.
The major investment was time, which I had plenty of.
>Here are some quotes of statments by Gary or reguarding Gary in his
>network's echoes that are quite similar to the pratling of Gary here in
>COLA.
No.
Here are typical statements made by thousands of people everyday.
>In reply to a request by a caller for the evidence of his claims that
>Telegard 2.5g source code was pirated:
>-----included text---------
>Papers! Papers! Papers! Ve must see your papers!
Sounds like the caller was you. A person who keeps logs and documents
everything from 5 years ago, remembers things from 1980's in detail
and generally has a life that exists in the past because he didn't
move forward with the times (ie: your equipment) falsifies claims and
just plain makes things up.
Sounds like a boot polishing bunker boy to me.
In fact it sounds just like YOU.
>You're almost 50 years too late.
Yep...A reference to above.
>Burned any good Jews?
Odd that I would say that considering I am half German....
>-----end included text---------
Yea right....I can make things up as well.
Again, your proof?
>Reply to a question asking what is wrong with Renegade BBS:
>-----included text---------
>Renegade is a fuckin abortion.
Never used it.
X "is an abortion" is a common comment. Check Google and see how many
hits you get. Insert whatever you like for "x".
>Telegard RULEZ!!!!!
>-----end included text---------
Never used Telegard, but RULEZ is another common expression. Again
check your beloved Google for details.
Remember, we must document everything and be accurate here, and if we
have no facts we must make them up as we go along all for the
perceived victory of the fatherland.
>In response to an inquiry about the value of gaining OS/2 experience.
>-----included text---------
>OS/2 sucks
>DOS rules
Wrong.... I have always gone on record as saying OS/2 was great but
missed it's mark due to bad advertising by IBM.
>PM SUCKS
>Windows RULZ.
You spelled it wrong...
We MUST be accurate now her' mjcr.
BTW your boots are not shined.
>Now get to fuck off my board.
Rarely do I use profanities, on occasion, but rarely. I leave that to
the LinoScrews in order for them to demonstrate that they have run out
of ideas.
>-----end included text---------
Ahh yes... Cut and paste again
>From a sysop of another BBS that was a node on GaSpNet:
>-----included text---------
>Hey! Keymaster, Gary, Steve, Mike, Simon or whoever the fuck you are
>calling youself today!
>[...]
>-----end included text---------
Another made up story....
Gee, you're even better at it than I am, maybe you should consider a
career trolling the WIndows groups?
>After locking out a "caller" to The Great AbysS and announcing it via
>an echo of GaSpNet:
>From one sysop:
>-----included text---------
>Awwww come on! Let Tim back on...or we will never hear from you again,
>keymaster. We know that Tim = keymaster = Alice = Gary = you.
>NOW CUT THE ACT!
>-----end included text---------
Haaaa...
Do you actually save all this stuff?
GET A LIFE DUDE BECAUSE YOU ARE COMING UNDONE!!
>From another sysop:
>-----included text---------
>OK, Gary, Simon, winrulez, drkool, keymaster, Mike, W.J. Quimby, Tim
>you got tired of your "Tim" name but you don't got to make this show
>of lockin it out.
>-----end included text---------
You mean, end of cut and paste made up text.
BTW,
Quimby, 61,900 hits on Google.
I took it from the Burt Reynolds movie Semi-Tough.
Fawn Lebowitz?
Killed in a kilin explosion in the movie "Animal House".
Notice my comment to one of the other Linux supporters, that he was
close.
Got ya again her' mcjr.
>I guess Gary is one old dog that can not give up his old tricks and it is
>those tricks that lead to his identity. Just like how Quimby was cought
>today by Terry Porter was the same method I used to identify Gary as the
>person who tried to crack into my systems.
Terry Porter couldn't catch as case of the flu in Alaska in the middle
of winter.
The number of times he has been not even close is staggering. There
are others, who are far wiser and shrewd, be he is a flunky.
>I find the odds that these two persons, Gary and he/she/it are not one
>and the same to be quite slim.
Coming from a moron like you it's not surprising.
> That said, even with Gary's name exposed,
>he is still anonymous enough. There are at least 19 Gary Stewart's in
>the state of New York and 4 more in the state of New Jersey.
I suggest you start calling them all and find out for yourself.
Hell, I'll even save you some time, forget about NJ and start in NY,
although you'll have to scour the entire state because I have 3 homes.
I'll give you another clue:
I am none of the names I use, yet I am all of the names I use.
Now file that one away, document it, polish your boots and jump back
into your bunker.
Oh yea, one last thing mcjr:
Have you lost any weight since you used to manage the computer lab at
school?
You couldn't even walk between the desks and they had a special chair
made just for you because you kept breaking the regular one.
Why don't you tell us all about the time you re-wired the ethernet
cables to reflect the IEE standards without realizing that everything
in the entire network was wired wrong.
Yea....
Nothing worked when you through.
Word is you were quite a big one pushing 300lbs.
Fat is not good for your heart, especially when it is all located in
your head.
So how do "I" know this?
A little research on my own part, which can easily be proved.
How about a picture mjcr?
Yea that's what I thought....
So there you have it. I wasn't even going to waste the time replying,
but I felt I must because by remaining silent I would validate his
idiotic claims.
Here you have a case based solely on conjecture, wild claims and
falsified ip records.
If my ports were being scanned, I would report the person to his/her
ISP and post the response letter.
Ooops maybe I shouldn't have said that, because that will be the next
thing he makes up.
I was going to cut and paste his firewall logs and change the dates
and ip addresses to reflect his account, but why bother.
The people here are not idiots. They know exactly how easy it is to
fake anything.
The point is, that over the years that I have been posting in this
group, there has NEVER been ONE SINGLE COMPLAINT of me scanning ports,
sending email bombs, harassing people and so forth.
Except for a 300lb paranoid idiot who lives in the past (current year
- -10) for you programmers.
I do battle everyday with the likes of you and some of you are better
at it than others. Even Porter, who basically is wrong 99 percent of
the time or more, is not a liar.
Closing point, if I haven't email bombed Bilk by now, why screw with
an overweight geek who is going nowhere?
And has ABSOLUTLEY NO SOLID PROOF.
At least Bilk is intelligent.
flatfish
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From: tjpor...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Come and meet Gary "flatfish" Stewart
Message-ID: <slrn9ue60t.q3v.tjporter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:26:26 GMT, flatf...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx in article
<ulvdutcqscs2jtfplibb75lrg6s5fhe...@xxxxxxx> dashed off:
>On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:12:12 -0800, "mjcr" <m...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>>That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
>>winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
>>has gone by the false identities of:
>Gee that's news to me......
I doubt it, because in the years I've had to put up with your time
wasting name changes, I've never seen you write such a long and
indignant post.
I think Mjcr has hit all of "Flatfish's" hot buttons this time.
Well done Mjcr.
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