amicus_curious wrote:
"High Plains Thumper" wrote...
This is an example of an ad hominem attack, attacking the
writer rather than addressing the points brought up with the
writer.
Linux has always been considered a threat to the Microsoft
Corporation:
Following is a continuation of this ad hominem anti-Linux troll.
Selective snippages, to remove the context, so it can continue
its anti-Linux and ad hominem rants. This is an example of:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
[quote]
7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics
[quote]
20. Narrow the scope of threads so that you can handle it.
Narrow the scope of the issues that are being addressed in a
thread to details you feel that you can refute, ridicule, or
dismiss leaving the main issues unaddressed.
[/quote]
Also continuing ad hominem rants of that what I quoted, which is
observations made by several journalists is fictitious by the
following comments, which I followed up with the current. Also
that Linux computers are now available for sale through major
channels.
Are you for real? Consider this:
1. Your cite is some 5 years old.
[quote]
18. Don't discuss evidence counter to your position. Avoid
examining or discussing evidence counter to your position. This
is especially effective when combined with 3.2.8, Dancing Fool,
wherein you change your position with every post.
[/quote]
2. In the past 5 years, in the face of this terrible threat
to their well-being, Windows has prospered.
3. Revenues for Windows client software has more than
doubled.
4. Windows server products have moved to a leadership
position, eclipsing Unix and IBM operating system based
servers, going from virtually no server presence in 2000 to a
41% share today. Linux has managed to steal the low-end
business from Unix vendors and is a distant third place in
small servers, and fourth place overall.
The above is an example of:
[quote]
32. Promote Windows at every opportunity. Microsoft Windows
needs a lot of help to be successful in the mind share of its
targeted user base. Point out to everybody on COLA how wonderful
it is. Ignore the meaning of the name of the newsgroup and its
charter.
[/quote]
If it is the worst threat faced by Microsoft, you had better
invest heavily in Mr. Softee for the future.
Interesting that everything comes back to money, stocks, etc.
Also note the interesting, derogatory use of "Mr. Softee" instead
of the proper term "Linux".
These rants seem to be a far cry from "My goal in teaching is to
assist in the development of responsible thinking and soon-to-be
successful people. I try to provide a challenging and motivating
classroom environment."
[snippage reinstated]
http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=12800942
or http://tinyurl.com/3uhbpt
[quote] Linux Ranks No. 2 On Microsoft Risk List
The open-source operating system trailed only the economic
environment in the biggest risks outlined by CFO John
Connors.
By Gregg Keizer, TechWeb News InformationWeek July 18, 2003
03:00 PM
Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) is taking the Linux threat seriously.
So seriously, in fact, that open-source software comes in
at the No. 2 spot on the company's top five list of risks.
In a teleconference to go over the Redmond, Wash.-based
developer's fourth quarter and fiscal 2003 results on
Thursday, CFO John Connors detailed the five biggest risks
to his company's business.
"The general economic environment is risk and driver No. 1,"
he said. "Linux and non-commercial software is risk No. 2."
[...]
Microsoft has been making noise this year about how serious
it takes the threat from open-source software. Microsoft
chairman Bill Gates said in February that he took Linux and
its threat to his company seriously, saying the operating
system is "out there and very pervasive." And in June, CEO
Steve Ballmer identified open-source products a major
competitive threat in an E-mail sent to all Microsoft
employees.
More recently, the company has been stepping up its efforts
to convince potential European clients that they should
steer away from Linux and towards its products. But even
though Ballmer intervened in the attempt to win over the
city of Munich, Linux won out.
"When you see these big losses escalating as high as
Ballmer," Cherry said, "you know that Linux has caught their
attention." [quote]
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-22_11-5232985.html
Microsoft: Linux threat is rising Jun 14, 2004 1:34:00 PM By
Graeme Wearden CNET News.com
[quote] More companies are using the threat of Linux when
negotiating deals with Microsoft, one of the company's
senior executives has admitted.
A year after a letter from Microsoft CEO Steve Balmer to his
employees acknowledged the Linux threat looming on the
horizon, Microsoft remains adamant that open-source software
isn't a serious competitor on the desktop today. However,
it may well be forcing Microsoft's prices down.
"It's definitely more of a threat than it was," said Nick
Barley, director of marketing at Microsoft, when asked
whether more businesses are telling Microsoft that they're
planning to migrate to Linux rather than to one of its own
operating systems or applications in the hope of getting a
better deal. [...]
McGrath also cited a series of recent customer wins,
including the London borough of Newham's decision to go with
Microsoft rather than open-source options. McGrath claimed
that Newham can look forward to potentially twice the
productivity-associated cost savings than if they had gone
down the open-source road.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Sort=3D=
Those familiar with the Newham case, though, say it is
actually a prime example of Microsoft cutting its prices
when facing the threat of Linux. [/quote]
Problem is the Wintrolls herein see it in American eyes, not
in the language or settings of another culture.
http://www.ameinfo.com/46391.html
Is Linux a threat to Microsoft? In the Middle East, the
answer depends upon who gets asked the question. But many
are now asking such questions about Linux. United Arab
Emirates: Saturday, October 02 - 2004 at 13:57
In his wildest dreams, Microsoft founder Bill Gates could
not have foreseen that the greatest challenge to his
software empire would come from a friendly looking penguin
named Tux, the mascot for the open-source operating system
Linux.
Named after its originator, Linus Torvalds, Linux is the
standard bearer of the open-source software movement. In
brief, this means that the code for the operating system -
which acts as the layer between the hardware of a computer
such as a PC and the applications such as word processing -
is not owned by any corporation, but rather belongs to the
worldwide community of developers.
This provides tremendous energy and flexibility but does
raise issues of support and required in-house technical
skills, which have delayed a widespread adoption of Linux.
Not any more Ð Linux is now mainstream. [...] At present,
there are dozens of ongoing projects for porting Linux to
various hardware configurations and purposes. [quote]
Ah, but Linux is profitable:
[quote] As for HP, its Linux-based revenue for the 2003
fiscal year was over $2.5 billion. Following an earlier,
similar conversion to the wonders of Java, the big boys see
Linux as a key weapon in an ongoing battle for the heart and
soul of the IT industry between Microsoft and other key
players. [/quote]
.... and the remarkable stability of Linux:
[quote] Linux is inherently a more stable and secure
platform than Windows. This is partly because the viruses do
not run on Linux, thus security is more robust. Enigmatis
recently installed a Windows server that was riddled with
viruses and worms within a week.
In sharp contrast, he adds, our Linux server has sat there
for over a year without a problem. [/quote]
Ah, then there is the TCO FUD report. It is interesting to
note that Forrester no longer does this type of market
research:
[quote] These are areas in which Microsoft can, and has,
taken the fight back to the Linux camp. One argument that
has left many potential users confused is the issue of total
cost of ownership.
Yes, says Microsoft, Linux may be free, but when you factor
in other costs such as necessary staff training, rewriting
software and so on, then Windows is a better alternative.
There is some truth to this, but Microsoft's case was badly
hurt by an independent TCO report by leading analysts
Forrester that was, it later turned out, funded by the
software giant. (Worth noting: Forrester has also now
withdrawn from future commercial research of this kind.)
[/quote]
Mid-East is heavier into Linux than the Wintrolls would like
to admit:
[quote] Sun shines on Linux
However, not all vendors agree with the cost issue. Mehmet
Iyimen, managing director of Sun Microsystems MENA, claims
that Linux is proving itself to be a key low-cost computing
platform for Middle East enterprises.
Regional customers are using Linux to manage IT
infrastructures by matching the right platform to the right
task while managing complexity, reducing cost and keeping an
open standards focus. Microsoft is also working hard on the
security issues that have been bedeviling it; although, to
be fair, if users were more scrupulous about applying
security patches and system updates, then the problems would
not be so great.
According to Torvalds, Microsoft is not in trouble. I think
they are struggling to deal with Linux partly because Linux
is undermining them the same way they undercut their
competition. If you look at DOS, or maybe compilers, one
thing that happened with Microsoft was that these upstarts
came out and had cheaper compilers.
DOS was also cheap and it undercut the competition, he
points out. They never had a competitor like themselves.
Then along comes somebody who undercuts them and they start
acting exactly how all of their competitors acted. [/quote]
Ah, the clincher, Microsoft is an American company. (Not
only the Arabs, but the EU wants to establish its software
industries.) The Arabs want independence from Microsoft.
However, specifically in this region, Microsoft faces a
major challenge: it is an American company. It can make
Arabic a tier-one language for new software releases, but it
can't disguise its origins. That's a problem when there is
a general upswing of anti-American feeling in this part of
the world; fatal in countries where the US government has
sanctions in place.
Want legitimate and supported Microsoft software in
territories like Syria, Libya and other non- players of the
US game? Good luck. Growth forecasts. That's why homegrown
support services, based on Linux user groups are mushrooming
across the region.
That's why new Linux training and implementation vendors are
forecasting a good year ahead. That's why homegrown
Arabization initiatives - both in IBM's Cairo laboratory and
at Riyadh's King Abdul Aziz University for Science and
Technology Ð are blossoming.
And that's why, most importantly, a whole region-wide
community of Linux developers is spreading across the Middle
East, able to use the openness of the operating system to
adapt to local demands and to help roll out lower-cost
solutions to enterprises and governments who have
traditionally used the Unix operating system.
Across the region, enterprises of all sizes and in all
market sectors are adopting Linux. The Al Ghurair Group in
the UAE is running Oracle applications, as is the Habib AG
Zurich Bank, Dubai, which is running core-banking
applications with Linux.
Other regional Linux users are the Bahraini government,
Saudi Aramco and Emirates Industrial Gases, to name just a
few big players making the switch from Microsoft. According
to Samer Karawi, HP Middle East's marketing manager,
Enterprise Systems Group, Linux will take Unix's market
share. Adds Hatem Al-Sibai, group IT manager for the Al
Ghurair Group, Our decision to migrate from Windows to Linux
was driven by the need to achieve higher uptime for our
business while improving information security and reducing
cost of ownership. [/quote]
Even so, what do you suppose will happen to the netbook
market when a targeted version of Windows 7 is actually
available for it? And what if it were predatorially
priced to meet any perceived challenge from Linux? Right
now, with no such product, the best claim that anyone can
make is that Linux is ekeing out 30% of the business and
even that is suspect. A cursory glance at Amazon shows
that 8 out of the top 10 selling notebooks there use XP
and that includes the top 6 models. The return rate on
Linux netbooks from people disillusioned with their
purchases have been significantly high compared to returns
of XP models as well.
The intial use of Linux on these machines seems to be a
flash in the pan that the market is quickly moving to set
right.
Ah, so people are so disillusioned that 4 years after the
above observations were made, Linux is gaining greater
presence even in the US market? Look again:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Sort=3D=4&Nav=3D|c:2814|&Recs=3D30
PC's configured with Linux:
[quote] 1. Everex CloudBook CE1200V Refurbished Netbook -
VIA C7-M ULV 1.2GHz, 802.11b/g Wireless, 512MB DDR2, 30GB
HDD, 7" WVGA, Integrated Webcam, gOS V2 Item #: E80-7001 RB
Sporting a 7-inch WVGA display, this light as a cloud
computer weighs a scant 2 pounds, and offers as much as 5
hours of battery life. $289.99
2. Sylvania G Netbook - VIA C7-M ULV Processor 1.2GHz,
802.11b/g Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 30GB HDD, 7" WVGA, Integrated
Webcam, Linux Based gOS Operating System Item #: D516-7001
At just under two pounds, the netbook by Sylvania brings you
ultra light portability and wireless Internet connectivity
built right in. $299.96
3. Acer Aspire One AOA110-1295 Netbook - Intel Atom=99
Processor N270 1.60GHz, 802.11b/g Wireless, 512MB DDR2, 8GB
SSD, 8.9" WSVGA, Integrated Webcam, Linpus Linux Lite Item
#: A180-8001 Empower yourself with the incredibly light yet
remarkably productive Acer Aspire One =96 the new thin &
light notebook that weighs only 2.19 pounds. $349.96
4. Acer Aspire One AOA110-1295 Netbook - Intel Atom=99
Processor N270 1.60GHz, 802.11b/g Wireless, 512MB DDR2, 8GB
SSD, 8.9" WSVGA, Integrated Webcam, Linpus Linux Lite Item
#: S445-8001 Empower yourself with the incredibly light yet
remarkably productive Acer Aspire One =96 the new thin &
light netbook that weighs only 2.19 pounds. $349.99
7. Asus Eee PC 4G Netbook - Intel Mobile CPU, 802.11b/g
Wireless, 512MB DDR2, 4GB SSD, 7" WVGA, Webcam, Linux, Pearl
White Item #: A455-7212 The new Asus Eee PC 4G brings
portable computing to the next level. At 7-inches and
weighing only 2 pounds, you can take the Eee PC anywhere.
$369.99
9. Acer Aspire One AOA110-1626 Netbook - Intel Atom=99
Processor N270 1.60GHz, 802.11b/g Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 16GB
SSD, 8.9" WSVGA, Integrated Webcam, Linpus Linux Lite (Onyx
Black) Item #: A180-8002 Empower yourself with the
incredibly light yet remarkably productive Acer Aspire One
=96 the new thin & light netbook that weighs only 2.19
pounds. $369.99
10. Sylvania G Netbook Meso - Intel Atom Processor 1.60GHz,
802.11b/g Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 80GB HDD, 8.9" WSVGA,
Integrated Webcam, Ubuntu Netbook Remix (Onyx) Item #:
D516-7003 Free yourself from clumsy electronics and enjoy
uncompromising mobility with the g netbook. $379.99
11. Sylvania G Netbook Meso - Intel Atom Processor 1.60GHz,
802.11b/g Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 80GB HDD, 8.9" WSVGA,
Integrated Webcam, Ubuntu Netbook Remix (Solar) Item #:
D516-7004 Free yourself from clumsy electronics and enjoy
uncompromising mobility with the g netbook. $379.99
12. Sylvania G Netbook Meso - Intel Atom Processor 1.60GHz,
802.11b/g Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 80GB HDD, 8.9" WSVGA,
Integrated Webcam, Ubuntu Netbook Remix (Snow) Item #:
D516-7006 Free yourself from clumsy electronics and enjoy
uncompromising mobility with the g netbook. $379.99
18. Asus Eee PC 900 Netbook - Intel Mobile CPU, 802.11b/g
Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 20GB SSD, 8.9" WSVGA, Integrated Webcam,
Linux (Galaxy Black) Item #: A455-9504 You demanded it. We
have it! The new 8.9-inch, 2.18-pound Asus Eee PC 900.
It=92s easy to learn, work and play when you own an Asus Eee
PC 900. $429.99
26. Asus Eee PC 901 Netbook - Intel Mobile Atom Processor,
Bluetooth, 802.11b/g/n Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 20GB SSD, 8.9"
WSVGA, Webcam, Linux (Fine Ebony) Item #: A455-8001 While
plenty of PCs promise a revolutionary impact, few deliver
the goods. That=92s not the case with our new Asus Eee PC
901. $519.99
27. Asus Eee PC 900 Netbook - Intel Mobile CPU, 802.11b/g
Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 20GB SSD, 8.9" WSVGA, Integrated Webcam,
Linux (Pearl White) Item #: A455-9500 You demanded it. We
have it! The new 8.9-inch, 2.18-pound Asus Eee PC 900. It's
easy to learn, work and play when you own an Asus Eee PC
900. $564.99
28. Asus Eee PC 1000 Netbook - Intel Mobile Atom Processor,
Bluetooth, 802.11b/g/n Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 40GB SSD, 10"
WSVGA, Webcam, Linux (Fine Ebony) Item #: A455-10002 While
plenty of PCs promise a revolutionary impact, few deliver
the goods. That=92s not the case with our new Asus Eee PC
1000. $599.99
29. Asus Eee PC 1000 Netbook - Intel Atom Processor,
Bluetooth, 802.11b/g/n Wireless, 1GB DDR2, 40GB SSD, 10"
WSVGA, Webcam, Linux (Pearl White) Item #: A455-10001 While
plenty of PCs promise a revolutionary impact, few deliver
the goods. That's not the case with our new Asus Eee PC
1000. $629.99
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