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Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

Tim Smith wrote:
High Plains Thumper wrote:
Tim Smith wrote:
Roy Schestowitz wrote:
Homer on Wednesday :
Mark Kent spake thusly:
Homer espoused:
Erik Funkenbusch spake thusly:
High Plains Thumper wrote:

A Moderated newsgroup is almost impossible to

Yes, you should.  It's a great idea.  I'll help
in any way I can. I'm serious.

Well if anyone from the Windows side is going to
be involved, I think it should be you. You've been
around longer than most, and most of the time
you're level headed and resist the urge to engage
in ad hominem attacks.

Like his attack on Rex, say?  Erik is a digusting
character, who has no place in this group at all.
He has indulged in one of the nastiest ever attacks
on our on-topic crowd, and continues to push his
off-topic, anti-charter material any opportunity he

You're right, I forgot about that one.

I've also just remembered the one where he suggested
that giving laptops to African children would be
dangerous, because it'd breed a whole new generation
of 419'ers.

He also attacked me and harassed an artist in attempt to
have me sued.

Nice fantasy.  The reality is you ripped off an artist,
refused to stop ripping the artist off when it was pointed
out to you (on the assumption it may have been an
accident).  He then told the artist about it.

Oh yeah, it is a nice fantasy for ad hominem attacker Tim
Smith, who once again brings up a really old settled
fallacy, captured in Google with all of its glory:


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: High Plains Thumper <highplainsthum...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:58:47
Subject: Re: [BREAKING NEWS] OLPC sued by US based Nigerian

[QUOTE] flatfish wrote:
Tim Smith wrote:
High Plains Thumper wrote:
flatfish wrote:

Ask Roy Schestowitz about using graphics without an
author's permission and then continuing to use said
graphics even after being notified.

It took a cease and desist order to get Roy
Schestowitz to remove the copyrighted graphics from
his web page.

It's all in google.

Correct, it is all in Google, another trumped up
charge that has little to do with advocacy.


[Usual gob of irrelevancy HPT always posts deleted]

[Tim Smith's usual selective troll snippage reinstated]

Correct, it is all in Google, another trumped up
charge that has little to do with advocacy.


[quote] A casual browse of his website shows mostly
text with very little graphics.  What limited graphics
exist appear generic and iconish.


IMHO, Fare Use clause in British copyright law allows
the use of an image downloaded from the internet for
personal use and research, provided credit is given to
the owner/author.  Being a graduate student, Mr.
Schestowitz is a researcher.

Did Mr. Schestowitz defame the author?  I think not.

Did he stretch the Fare Use clause in British
copyright law by posting this only image on the net?

However, would the American author consider it
worthwhile to go after a college student, seeking
compensation on British soil for a personal non-profit
blog site with limited content and low volume hits?
That would be ridiculous. [/quote]

Of course, that has nothing to do with what Flatfish is
talking about, and you know that.  Flatfish is talking
about the incident where Roy took the work of a
commercial artist, who sells licenses for the use of
that work on the net, and decided that if he (Roy) gave
credit to the artist, he didn't need to get a license,
even though Roy was using it in a way not covered by
fair use, and in a way to diminish the market for the
work.  The incident where, when informed that what he
was doing was wrong, Roy did not do the right thing
(which 99% of us here would have done) and immediately
take down the image until he could contact the artist
and work something out--instead he kept the image up for
 weeks, before finally obeying the law and the artists
requests, and took it down.

Here we go again, the same old, tired rants, non-Linux
advocacy stuff being hounded on non-COLA issues 17 months
later.  You have a way of making a mountain out of a mole
hill, don't you, Timmy?

Oh, but Roy uses Linux, so you HAVE to support him, even
when he is ripping off an artist, don't you?  That's
what you think Linux advocacy means.

Exactly! Thank you Tim.

I'm convinced that people like HPT will lie tooth and nail
just to back up Linux and the so called Linux supporters,
like Roy and Mark.

Hmmm, interesting anti-Linux advocacy agenda.  The same
accusations. Calling those that post unfavourably liars.
Very rude, very inappropriate.  I found this quote of great
interest made July 23, 2006, still appropriate:


[quote] My approach to this has changed a lot over the
years.  I used to offer the benefit of the doubt to posters
who looked new or I didn't know, but over time, I've seen so
many troll posts, that I just tend to plonk on sight,
sometimes with a short (1 liner) warning to the rest of the
group.  I think I just lack the patience...

The whole experience of being in cola has been very
interesting, as it has 100% confirmed that there is a class
or group of people, like Erik F, Tim Smith, Flatty/Gary,
Grug, k-man and so on who will take a great and deliberate
delight from off-topic posting, and will follow any possible
argument they can to support what they do.  There is nothing
anyone can say to them which is going to move them from
their positions - they are only here to disrupt, and that is
what they will do.  I've speculated many times on the kind
of personality it must take to do that; and the impact on
the person over a long period.  I suspect it's quite nasty.
I wonder if they'll ever recover? [/quote]

All of these people make all kinds of accusations yet they
never seem to provide any proof and when a person asks for
proof they even make fun of that request by brushing it

I've asked a simple question. Prove I am Gary Stewart.
I've offered to contribute to a charity of the person's
choice. People keep making the accusation, stating it like
it is fact yet they can't seem to prove it. And if they
can't even prove I am one person, how on earth can they
prove I am all the people in that ridiculous list?

I am a couple of them BTW, only because I've changed ISP's
several times over the years. And they can't even prove
those ones without help from me.

Frankly this group has become a total fraud. A maniac
spammer who is a liar and thief as well who has a couple
of wannabes hanging around him. That's about the size of

Your rant has nothing to do with Linux advocacy.  Reference:


[quote] 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy

The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:

For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating systems.

That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is
for the newsgroup as a place for supporters of Linux to
gather to discuss Linux, for the betterment of the Linux
community and the promotion and development of Linux. It
supports this as a place for those who would like to learn
more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux.
It does not call for it to be a place where the anti-Linux
propagandists to gather in order to discredit Linux. [/quote]

Please take your off-charter rants to another forum, to
which they belong. [/QUOTE]

Read more carefully.  Roy brought it up, not me.

This is an example of:


7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics

12. Blame your stupidity and lies on your opponent. Blame your own stupidity on the Linux advocate you are dealing with. Such as when you have made an unsupportable claim that suggest a list of details and your are asked to present your non-existent list reply with, "I don't have to list them for you; you aren't bright enough to know what you're missing by using X instead of a real Y, I'm not going to explain it to you." Then hope that nobody reading the thread realizes that your statement translates as, "I lack the knowledge or facts needed to counter your position or your position is too complete and accurate to be refuted. So, I will say things to sound superior to avoid admitting you are right."


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