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Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

Tim Smith wrote:
Roy Schestowitz wrote:
Homer on Wednesday :
Mark Kent spake thusly:
Homer espoused:
Erik Funkenbusch spake thusly:
OnHigh Plains Thumper wrote:

A Moderated newsgroup is almost impossible to troll.

Yes, you should. It's a great idea. I'll help in any way I can. I'm serious.

Well if anyone from the Windows side is going to be involved, I think it should be you. You've been around longer than most, and most of the time you're level headed and resist the urge to engage in ad hominem attacks.

Like his attack on Rex, say? Erik is a digusting character, who has no place in this group at all. He has indulged in one of the nastiest ever attacks on our on-topic crowd, and continues to push his off-topic, anti-charter material any opportunity he can.

You're right, I forgot about that one.

I've also just remembered the one where he suggested that giving laptops to African children would be dangerous, because it'd breed a whole new generation of 419'ers.

He also attacked me and harassed an artist in attempt to have me sued.

Nice fantasy. The reality is you ripped off an artist, refused to stop ripping the artist off when it was pointed out to you (on the assumption it may have been an accident). He then told the artist about it.

Oh yeah, it is a nice fantasy for ad hominem attacker Tim Smith, who once again brings up a really old settled fallacy, captured in Google with all of its glory:


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: High Plains Thumper <highplainsthum...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:58:47
Subject: Re: [BREAKING NEWS] OLPC sued by US based Nigerian company!

flatfish wrote:
Tim Smith wrote:
High Plains Thumper wrote:
flatfish wrote:

Ask Roy Schestowitz about using graphics without an author's permission and then continuing to use said graphics even after being notified.

It took a cease and desist order to get Roy Schestowitz to remove the copyrighted graphics from his web page.

It's all in google.

Correct, it is all in Google, another trumped up charge that has little to do with advocacy.


[Usual gob of irrelevancy HPT always posts deleted]

[Tim Smith's usual selective troll snippage reinstated]

Correct, it is all in Google, another trumped up charge that has little to do with advocacy.


[quote] A casual browse of his website shows mostly text
with very little graphics.  What limited graphics exist
appear generic and iconish.


IMHO, Fare Use clause in British copyright law allows the use of an image downloaded from the internet for personal use and research, provided credit is given to the owner/author. Being a graduate student, Mr. Schestowitz is a researcher.

Did Mr. Schestowitz defame the author?  I think not.

Did he stretch the Fare Use clause in British copyright law by posting this only image on the net? Perhaps.

However, would the American author consider it worthwhile to go after a college student, seeking compensation on British soil for a personal non-profit blog site with limited content and low volume hits? That would be ridiculous. [/quote]

Of course, that has nothing to do with what Flatfish is talking about, and you know that. Flatfish is talking about the incident where Roy took the work of a commercial artist, who sells licenses for the use of that work on the net, and decided that if he (Roy) gave credit to the artist, he didn't need to get a license, even though Roy was using it in a way not covered by fair use, and in a way to diminish the market for the work. The incident where, when informed that what he was doing was wrong, Roy did not do the right thing (which 99% of us here would have done) and immediately take down the image until he could contact the artist and work something out--instead he kept the image up for weeks, before finally obeying the law and the artists requests, and took it down.

Here we go again, the same old, tired rants, non-Linux advocacy
stuff being hounded on non-COLA issues 17 months later.  You have
a way of making a mountain out of a mole hill, don't you, Timmy?

Oh, but Roy uses Linux, so you HAVE to support him, even when he is ripping off an artist, don't you? That's what you think Linux advocacy means.

Exactly! Thank you Tim.

I'm convinced that people like HPT will lie tooth and nail just to back up Linux and the so called Linux supporters, like
 Roy and Mark.

Hmmm, interesting anti-Linux advocacy agenda. The same accusations. Calling those that post unfavourably liars. Very
rude, very inappropriate.  I found this quote of great interest
made July 23, 2006, still appropriate:


My approach to this has changed a lot over the years.  I used to
offer the benefit of the doubt to posters who looked new or I
didn't know, but over time, I've seen so many troll posts, that I
just tend to plonk on sight, sometimes with a short (1 liner)
warning to the rest of the group.  I think I just lack the

The whole experience of being in cola has been very interesting,
as it has 100% confirmed that there is a class or group of
people, like Erik F, Tim Smith, Flatty/Gary, Grug, k-man and so
on who will take a great and deliberate delight from off-topic
posting, and will follow any possible argument they can to
support what they do.  There is nothing anyone can say to them
which is going to move them from their positions - they are only
here to disrupt, and that is what they will do.  I've
speculated many times on the kind of personality it must take to
do that; and the impact on the person over a long period.  I
suspect it's quite nasty.  I wonder if they'll ever recover?

All of these people make all kinds of accusations yet they never seem to provide any proof and when a person asks for proof they even make fun of that request by brushing it off.

I've asked a simple question. Prove I am Gary Stewart. I've offered to contribute to a charity of the person's choice. People keep making the accusation, stating it like it is fact yet they can't seem to prove it. And if they can't even prove I am one person, how on earth can they prove I am all the people in that ridiculous list?

I am a couple of them BTW, only because I've changed ISP's several times over the years. And they can't even prove those ones without help from me.

Frankly this group has become a total fraud. A maniac spammer who is a liar and thief as well who has a couple of wannabes hanging around him. That's about the size of it.

Your rant has nothing to do with Linux advocacy.  Reference:


1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy

    The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:

      For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other
operating systems.

    That single sentence is the one and only charter of the
newsgroup comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for
the newsgroup as a place for supporters of Linux to gather to
discuss Linux, for the betterment of the Linux community and the
promotion and development of Linux. It supports this as a place
for those who would like to learn more about Linux to come to
learn from those who know Linux. It does not call for it to be a
place where the anti-Linux propagandists to gather in order to
discredit Linux.

Please take your off-charter rants to another forum, to which
they belong.


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