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Re: Windows Vista Unsuitable for Serious Audio Work

Doctor Smith (Gary M. Stewart AKA Flatfish) wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> http://support.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/890219813.asp
>> [quote]
>> Windows Vista
>> Vista has brought a new way of 'protecting' audio/video
>> content from unauthorized copying (a.k.a. copyright
>> infringement) that has limited the functionality of many
>> audio and video peripherals.
>> According to 
>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html 
>> there is much disabling of functionality introduced by
>> Vista's new audio/video content protection features. The
>> most obvious is the loss of the Stereo Mix function (ability
>> to record "what you hear") in most soundcards. This is not a
>> technical limitation of the product, it is purely a
>> by-product of Vista's new content protection features.
>> Another common problem is difficulty in getting the AC3 
>> Pass-Through to work through the optical S/PDIF Output
>> (Toslink output). You may need a newer version of your DVD
>> playing software in order to get this to work. We have
>> thoroughly tested the S/PDIF Outputs on our soundcard
>> products, and they all are able to pass Dolby Digital or dts
>> encoded digital audio with no problems. Vista does limit the
>> sampling rate to 48kHz, however. [/quote]
>> http://support.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/890220385.asp
>> [quote]
>> VTB General FAQs - FAQs
>> Windows Vista Quirks (some of them) - Audio Mixer - MIDI Not
>> Available
>> Perhaps the most exasperating thing about Vista is the
>> security feature called: "User Account Control". UAC,
>> satirized in an Apple (AAPL) ad as a security guy who
>> constantly interrupts a conversation, appears as a pop-up
>> asking permission before Windows will do a number of things:
>> change system settings, install programs, or update
>> antivirus software. UAC may well be necessary to block
>> malicious programs from secretly installing themselves or
>> hijacking your browser settings. But Microsoft has designed
>> it to drive you nuts. Unfortunately, turning off UAC is not
>> an option, as it severely weakens Vista's defenses.
>> *****************************
>> Vista presents many challenges for soundcard manufacturers, 
>> mainly from its more stringent DRM and content-copyright 
>> protection schemes, which do not allow for such familiar
>> features as the Stereo Mix.
>> *****************************
>> Remember the Audio Mixer as included in all previous Windows
>> versions?
>> Start > All Programs > Accessories > Entertainment > Volume
>> Control Or from the Run Command: "sndvol32.exe" 
>> Unfortunately, this is no longer available in Windows Vista.
>> Try to Run this command in Vista and you will get an error.
>> [...]
>> *****************************
>> Start > Control Panel > Sound > Recording > Under Microphone
>> select a device > Click on "Set Default"
>> The rest of the devices will then display: "Unavailable"
>> This does not mean they are not functional. It simply means 
>> that they cannot be used because another device has been
>> selected as the default device.
>> *****************************
>> There is no MIDI control anywhere, not even a status
>> display. In Vista you can only control MIDI and display MIDI
>> devices info and status only using 3rd party Software.
>> *****************************
>> There is no "Stereo Mix" or "What You Hear" feature to
>> combine all incoming sources for Recording.
>> *****************************
>> The service pack will not install on computers that use 
>> peripheral device drivers that Microsoft has deemed
>> incompatible. The list includes a small set of audio and
>> display drivers made by Realtek and Intel (NSDQ: INTC), as
>> well as drivers from several other manufacturers. Vista SP1
>> includes more than 300 hot fixes for the OS.
>> Microsoft is hoping that Windows Vista SP1 will quell some
>> of the disappointment that greeted the operating system's
>> initial rollout early last year. Many corporate and home
>> users complained about its resource requirements and lack of
>> compatibility with existing applications.
>> *****************************
>> WINHLP32 - NO SUPPORT: (Not available anymore)
>> Windows Vista does not Support the standard Windows Help
>> format "Winhlp32", which is used by Voyetra programs to
>> display their Help files. When you click on a "Winhlp32"
>> Help file an error is generated alerting you on this and
>> takes you to the Microsoft Web Site Knowledge Base with info
>> on how to address this issue in Windows Vista.
>> *****************************
>> - "Recording Wizard" in AudioSurgeon in some systems may not
>> be available.
>> - The MP3 capability in AudioSurgeon is NOT available in
>> Windows
>> Vista.
>> Not even at the poor quality of 56kbps. The drop-down menu
>> is grayed out.
>> *****************************
>> - "Notation window" may not function in some Vista and newer
>> XP systems.
>> - "Recording Wizard" in "Advanced Audio Editor" may not be 
>> available.
>> -  The MP3 capability in "Advanced Audio Editor" is NOT 
>> available in Windows
>> Vista. Not even at the poor quality of 56kbps. The drop-down
>> menu is grayed out.
>> [/quote]
> http://www.cakewalk.com/
> http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/default.asp
> http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/audiopostproduction_product/nuendo4/nuendo4_system.html
> Try again High Plains Humper.

Oh yeah, ad hominem Gary who nymshifted as collie4roy@xxxxxxxxx
and singer42@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, who advises people to spend $5,000
for a Windows XP home recording studio because he can't get a
simple real time Linux image patch installed and does the DFS
thing, quoting Linux problems that were already patched.

It is captured in all its glory here:


To see the whole Gary anti-Linux spiel thread, one only need to
click "Message from discussion" link.

Then dropped its crosspost to COLA, hoping I would not see its


There is an MO for all this:


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Subject: Re: [News] Red Hat Developer's Update on PulseAudio,
Fedora Live CDs Interview
Message-ID: Xns9A7D9779E7902thisnthatadelphianet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: 11 Apr 2008 18:53:55 GMT

> Dan, you're probably a nice guy, but we get a ton of "works
> for me" crap in COLA and most times it's just people telling
> lies.

Well sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not in COLA. I'm reading
these posts in the Ubuntu group. The only reason they are going
to COLA is because whomever started the thread had it crossposted
there...and to Vista groups, which I removed because this has
nothing to do with Vista.

I'm NOT a Linux pusher, I still use Windows most of the time
since I'd just installed Linux a few weeks ago, maybe a month+
ago, and still checking out apps and learning Linux. There are
things I like and things I don't like.

Believe what you want to believe. It's painfully obvious that you
are completely anti-Linux, just like some are completely anti-MS,
and have such strong preconceived beliefs that it doesn't really
matter what anyone says about any particular Linux item,
everyone's a liar, and nothing works out-of-the-box.

Who admitted being compensated for its anti-Linux postings of
over a decade:


It is toward the end of the long post, captured because of the
use of X-No-Archive=yes, removed by Google Groups.  Its
anti-Linux diatribes also smack of:

'Use ... the Internet, etc. to heighten the impression that the
enemy is desperate, demoralized, defeated, ... associated with
mental deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter
Bunny". Just keep rubbing it in, via the ... newsgroups, ... make
the complete failure of the competition's technology part of the
mythology of the computer industry.'

(Comes vs Microsoft lawsuit, Microsoft Evangelism document, PDF
pages 45 & 55 on http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf )

Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

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