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Re: [News] [Rival] New National Moves to ODF and Ogg Vorbis

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

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> Becta signs 'improved' Microsoft deal
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> | Microsoft also provides support in Office 2007 for the Open Document
> | Format (ODF) file format, a move that Becta has acknowledged.
> `----
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> http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=5B151CF4-1A64-6A71-CE26CA0CEDAC95E7
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> Bull.
> 
> It doesn't. Microsoft ruins it with MSODF.


BECTA$ has duty to adopt ODF in its entirety.
But it won't because its run as a puppet of micoshaft corporation.

 
> Battle for multi-billion dollar e-governance projects hots up
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Incidentally, there has never been a more intense global industry debate
> | over ?open standards?. On the one hand is Microsoft?s Office Open XML
> | (OOXML) file format backed by Apple, Novell, Wipro, Infosys, TCS, and
> | Nasscom. On the other is the Open Document Format (ODF), supported by
> | the likes of IBM, Sun Microsystems, Red Hat, Google, the Department of
> | Information Technology (DIT), National Informatics Centre (NIC), CDAC,
> | IIT-Mumbai and IIM-Ahmedabad.
> | 
> | India recently maintained its earlier stance of ?No? to the software
> | major?s OOXML (which has been accepted by the International Organisation
> | for Standardisation (ISO) as an international standard).
> | 
> | ODF proponents oppose OOXML on the grounds that ?multiple standards? are
> | not good, while Microsoft argues that OOXML ? a recognised standard by
> | ECMA International too ? is a response to evolving technology formats in
> | line with continual evolving technology systems. The debate appears to
> | be a proxy for product competition in the marketplace, argue opponents.
> | It is significant, in part, because it will influence the future success
> | of Microsoft Office ? one of Microsoft?s largest and most profitable
> | product families.
> | 
> | Governments are wary of holding digital data in proprietary formats,
> | which could make them hostage to a software vendor. States such as
> | Delhi, Kerala and others from the North-East are heavy adopters of ODF
> | file formats which are open and free (excluding maintenance and
> | support).
> `----
> 
> http://www.business-standard.com/india/news
battle-for-multi-billion-dollar-e-governance-projects-hots-up/363310/
> 
> Norway: ODF is in - OOXML is out
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | The Norwegian government has made a clear statement in a new catalog
> | covering data standards of various purposes.
> `----
> 
> http://lodahl.blogspot.com/2009/07/norway-odf-is-in-ooxml-is-out.html
> 
> Apparently they move to Ogg too.
> 
> Congratulations to the new OASIS Board
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Last but not least, I would like to thank everyone who voted for me, and
> | all of my supporters, inside and outside the OASIS who were kind enough
> | to
> | dedicate time and effort to this project.  Next time will be better and
> | I look forward working with all you again.
> `----
> 
> http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2009/06/25
congratulations-to-the-new-oasis-board/
> 
> How to avid metadata misadventure
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | 3BClean scrubs the metadata from Microsoft Office (Word, Excel and
> | PowerPoint) files, Open Document Format (ODF) files, as well as
> | generating PDFs.
> `----
> 
> http://www.idm.net.au/story.asp?id=16946
> 
> 'Document Collaboration - Linking People, Process, and Content' available
> now through Aarkstore Enterprise
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Open Document Format (ODF) has achieved growing acceptance as the
> | document format of choice for governments around the world, less than
> | six months after its adoption as an international standard.
> `----
> 
> http://www.prminds.com/pressrelease.php?id=7816
> 
> [whatwg] Codecs for <audio> and <video>
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> http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020620.html
> 
> Why IE Doesn't Support HTML 5 Video (Yet)
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Mozilla supports HTML 5 video, Microsoft doesn't yet but without a codec
> | specified, does it matter?
> `----
> 
> http://www.internetnews.com/webcontent/article.phpr/3828901
> 
> Microsoft is a barrier because it tries spreading its proprietary media
> player and Silver Lie.
> 
> 
> Recent:
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> Why Microsoft Hates - No, *Really* Hates - ODF
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | What this means is that Microsoft is only making big money on its Office
> | suite, for whose luxurious margins it must therefore fight tooth and
> | nail. Which, judging by its behaviour at the ISO, and some more recent
> | stories, is exactly what it is doing in the face of growing pressure
> | from open ODF-based alternatives like OpenOffice.org.
> `----
> 
> http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs
index.cfm?entryid=2269&blogid=14
> 
> 
> Rob Weir Exposes an Anti-ODF Whisper Campaign
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Alex Brown, the convenor of the OOXML BRM, has been editing Wikipedia's
> | article on ODF. That strikes me odd, like finding out Steve Jobs had
> | been editing the Microsoft Zune page. Some things are simply
> | inappropriate. It puzzles me why Wikipedia allows it, frankly.
> |
> | If you read the talk page on ODF, you'll see that there are others there
> | trying mightily to spin the article on ODF more negatively than is
> | factual. And such rudeness! Plenty of smears against Groklaw too, I
> | couldn't help but notice. It does seem to me that there is a marked
> | increase in what I view as a concerted submarine marketing effort. Some
> | of it is subtle. Most of it is not. A fair measure of it is
> | mean-spirited. Some of it is lies, pure and simple.
> |
> | In the good old days, dead people supported Microsoft, if you remember
> | that funny headline about a pro-Microsoft astroturfing campaign, but at
> | least it wasn't a smear campaign, just pro-Microsoft. Nowadays, I think
> | I would have to rewrite the headline to read, "Mean People Support
> | Microsoft." Or worse. You see, Groklaw has been visited recently by
> | several OOXML types, including Alex Brown, Doug Mahue of Microsoft, and
> | Rick Jelliffe, all singing pretty much the same songs, posting on our
> | ODF articles, so I got to watch it close up. I puzzled over it, because
> | they seemed so deliberately rude.
> `----
> 
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009061001520015
> 
> 
> http://markmail.org/search/?q=Alex+Brown&q=list
3Aorg.oasis-open.lists.office-comment
> 
> 
> ODF Lies and Whispers
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | So what is one to do? You obviously can't trust Wikipedia whatsoever in
> | this area. This is unfortunate, since I am a big fan of Wikipedia. But
> | since the day when Microsoft decided they needed to pay people to
> | "improve" the ODF and OOXML articles, they have been a cesspool of FUD,
> | spin and outright lies, seemingly manufactured for Microsoft's re-use in
> | their whisper campaign. My advice would be to seek out official
> | information on the standards, from the relevant organizations, like
> | OASIS, the chairs of the relevant committees, etc. Ask the questions in
> | public places and seek a public response. That is the ultimate weakness
> | of FUD and lies. They cannot stand the light of public exposure.
> | Sunlight is the best antiseptic.
> `----
> 
> http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/06/odf-lies-and-whispers.html
> 
> 
> Microsoft Office tries to break ODF
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Just a quick update to our OpenDocument campaign, with news that
> | Microsoft Office has added support for ODF, but in a state that leaves
> | it incompatible with every other ODF capable application out there,
> | including OpenOffice.org and KOffice.
> `----
> 
> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/odf-office
> 
> 
> Sun ODF Plugin 3.1 for Microsoft Office
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | A new version of the ODF Plugin for Microsoft Office is available.
> |
> | As I wrote in the last ODF Plugin announcement, the Plugin nowadays uses
> | the same version number like the underlying OpenOffice.org version, so
> | this version is now based on OpenOffice.org 3.1.
> `----
> 
> http://blogs.sun.com/malte/entry/sun_odf_plugin_3_01
> 
> 
> 6 Projects We Hope Apple Is Building
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | 2. OpenDocument Format (ODF) support in iWorks
> |
> | ODF is an ISO standard for office document formats, with many government
> | agencies in the world adopt the standard as compulsory interchange
> | format. More organizations would be willing to adopt iWorks if ODF is a
> | supported format. For consumers, it means their files can be saved in a
> | format that is independent of iWorks software version changes.
> `----
> 
> http://sanziro.com/2009/06/6-projects-we-hope-apple-is-building.html
> 
> 
> ODF adoption continues - has it ?crossed the chasm??
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | What prompted me to realize this just today? I receive the ODF Alliance
> | Newsletter regularly in my inbox. Today, I noticed the following:
> |
> | (note that while the URL is in Spanish, the translation can be seen here
> | thanks to Google)
> | ECUADOR CHARTS PATH TO ODF ADOPTION
> `----
> 
> http://www.michaeldolan.com/1420
> 
> 
> Microsoft And ODF: Bad For Everyone
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | In shocking news, Microsoft?s support of ODF in Microsoft Office is
> | basically unusable in many respects, according to the OpenDocument
> | Format Alliance. This is a real problem for ODF?s adoption, since Office
> | users who try using it, either for opening a document or for sending a
> | document to someone else, will likely blame their issues on ODF, and,
> | thus, avoid it.
> |
> | What Microsoft has done with ODF support seems likely to harm ODF?s
> | acceptance, rather than help it. It?s hard to tell if this move was
> | incompetent or malicious or something entirely different?
> `----
> 
> http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2009/05/22
microsoft-and-odf-bad-for-everyone/
> 
> 
> Microsoft's ODF support is broken, says alliance
> 
> http://www.ioltechnology.co.za
article_page.php?from=rss_IOLTechHome&iSectionId=2883&iArticleId=4994136
> 
> 
> ODF is not the same as ODF?
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | ODF implemented by one company is not the same as implemented by the
> | other seven products.
> |
> | There's rumble in the web during the last days. And the reason is
> | something to celebrate, but regrettably only for the first look.
> | Microsoft published Service Pack 2 for their Microsoft Office 2007
> | product and for the first time in history they decided to officially
> | support saving and opening in Open Document Standard (ODF). Really,
> | that's the right step towards a higher level of interoperability!
> | Congratulations!
> `----
> 
> http://www.osor.eu/communities/openoffice-in-public-authorities/blog
odf-is-not-the-same-as-odf
> 
> 
> Microsoft?s ODF support is broken, says alliance
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | ODF Alliance managing director Marino Marcich said in a press statement
> | this week that ?support for ODF represents an important and ongoing test
> | of Microsoft?s commitment to real-world interoperability. Unfortunately,
> | serious shortcomings have been identified in Microsoft?s support for
> | ODF. Putting potentially millions of ODF files into circulation that are
> | non-interoperable and incompatible with the ODF support provided by
> | other vendors is a recipe for fragmentation.?
> `----
> 
> http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4806
> 
> 
> Links for the 20th of May 2009
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | # I could point to other blogs, but this one comes from Jeremy Allison,
> | author of Samba, now working for the great Satan Google. It?s actually
> | quite interesting because what Jeremy is saying is that all this dispute
> | seems to be based on the impression that Microsoft did the minimum to
> | have ODF work inside MS Office. My take on this is we should first stop
> | getting ballistic at each other, especially inside the ODF TC. What is
> | needed in the interest of ODF and the users, is to have a careful
> | examination not on the ODF conformance in MS Office, but on why, based
> | on experience, the interoperability is severely hampered when using ODF
> | with MS Office. Based on this analysis we should be able to go forward.
> | But don?t let this fool you: this has, I?m afraid, nothing to do with
> | the development of ODF 1.2.
> | # As an interesting reminder, here?s what the European Commission was
> | # saying
> | about Microsoft?s announcement on the support of ODF inside MS Office
> | last year.
> `----
> 
> http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2009/05/20
links-for-the-20th-of-may-2009/
> 
> 
> Is OOXML the better standard?
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | No, it is not in my opinion. But I think that is what Microsoft now
> | tries to make us public authorities think. I know about the facts behind
> | the scenes. I know that this company declines real support for ODF by
> | doing something strange, not aiming at real interoperability, but at a
> | Microsoft implementation of ODF, not compatible with others. So they, as
> | worldwide market leader, can proof the insufficiency of ODF. And they
> | have the solution for us. Use OOXML instead. It implements every
> | function Microsoft Office does. And the next step is, that other
> | interested implementations should improve their products to implement
> | everything OOXML does. Really simple, isn?t it?
> `----
> 
> http://www.floschi.info/2009/05/is-ooxml-the-better-standard/
> 
> 
> Overunderdoing: patterns in Microsoft's interoperability stance
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Well, if we're talking about interoperability it has been done. Or
> | tried. We could call it overunderdoing. Here's the algorithm:
> |
> | 1. pick one interoperability concern
> | 2. solve it up to 85% (percentage may vary)
> | 3. wisely choose the 15% to leave out so interoperability can be said
> | to work but with constant annoyances
> | 4. make a loud announcement to the press
> | 5. profit: everyone will read the announcement but only a small
> | fraction of such readers will notice the missing bits; despite the
> | claimable advances over the previous situation it still won't be
> | practical to make any use of the announced interoperability
> `----
> 
> http://blog.angulosolido.pt/2009/05
overunderdoing-patterns-in-microsofts.html
> 
> 
> Microsoft's latest aggression on ODF, codenamed "cast lead"
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Once again they did it. Microsoft is telling the world that they are
> | improving interoperability across existing office formats and
> | applications thanks to their native support for the ODF file format, a
> | leading office file format based on existing ISO standards. But it could
> | not be further from the truth.
> |
> | Microsoft are actually killing ODF, like the digital nazis that they
> | are. Kissinger is proud of their spiritual sons.
> |
> | What kind of white phosphorus are they using ?
> |
> | First they don't write to ODF but to a canada dry version that we shall
> | call MS-ODF, a variant filled with countless exploding mines, thrown
> | from the air like any coward would do. Namely they are implanting the
> | proprietary Excel formula syntax right inside files expecting the ODF
> | formula syntax as exposed by all the ODF compatible applications out
> | there. Since formulas are used in many elements such as charts,
> | conditional formattings and so on, it wrecks any serious spreadsheet.
> `----
> 
> http://ooxmlisdefectivebydesign.blogspot.com/2009/05
microsofts-latest-aggression-on-odf.html
> 
> 
> ODF Alliance Tests Microsoft Office 2007 SP2 ODF Support - Finds Serious
> Shortcomings
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | The ODF Alliance has prepared a Fact Sheet [PDF; also available as text
> | on their website, if you scroll down] for governments and others
> | interested in how Microsoft's SP2 for Office 2007 handles ODF. The ODF
> | Allliance says their testing revealed "serious shortcomings that, left
> | unaddressed, would break the open standards based interoperability that
> | the marketplace, especially governments, is demanding". The Fact Sheet
> | itemizes the major problems testing revealed. Marino Marcich, managing
> | director of ODF Alliance, points to one huge shortcoming:
> |
> | ?For example, even the most basic spreadsheet functions, such as adding
> | the numbers contained in two cells, were simply stripped in an ODF file
> | when opened and re-saved in Microsoft Office 2007. A document created in
> | one ODF-supporting application, when re-saved in Microsoft Office 2007,
> | rendered differently ? missing bullets, page numbers, charts and other
> | objects, changed fonts ? making collaboration on an ODF file with Office
> | 2007 very difficult. Indeed, some of the so-called 'plug-ins? were
> | revealed to provide better support for ODF than the recently released
> | Microsoft Office 2007 SP2. This is no way to achieve the
> | interoperability around ODF that the marketplace is demanding.?
> `----
> 
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009051922175320
> 
> 
> Microsoft?s ODF Support Falls Short
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | The OpenDocument Format (ODF) Alliance today cautioned that serious
> | deficiencies in Microsoft?s support for ODF needed to be addressed to
> | ensure greater interoperability with other ODF-supporting software.
> `----
> 
> http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/index.php/site
microsofts_odf_support_falls_short/
> 
> 
> Microsoft & Interoperability: I think that now I really understood :)
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | As most of you already know, I spent the month of October in a marathon
> | of speeches about ODF. During the marathon, I had the opportunity to
> | attend some presentations about Microsoft Interoperability and would
> | like to share with you here some information about that cool experience
> | (the post is long but worth a read).
> |
> | The first opportunity to see our friends from Redmond featuring the
> | theme was at the rally held by them at the end of Latinoware 2008. I do
> | not call that a presentation, because they did not allow questions from
> | the audience, as a rally. Luckily the audience was not that big and I
> | was on that room just be able to ?write the facts? about the speech.
> `----
> 
> http://homembit.com/2008/11
microsoft-interoperability-i-think-that-now-i-really-understood.html
> 
> 
> ODF Alliance Warns Governments About Office 2007 ODF Support
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | The ODF Alliance has prepared a Fact Sheet for governments and others
> | interested in how Microsoft's SP2 for Office 2007 handles ODF. The
> | report revealed 'serious shortcomings that, left unaddressed, would
> | break the open standards based interoperability that the marketplace,
> | especially governments, is demanding.
> `----
> 
> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/20/1935232&from=rss
> 
> 
> ODF Alliance: Microsoft Support for ODF is Lacking
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | The Open Document Format (ODF) Alliance has analyzed whether Microsoft?s
> | Service Pack 2 for Office 2007 fulfills the promise for compatibility
> | with the free document standard. Their findings give little reason to
> | hope.
> `----
> 
> http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news
odf_alliance_microsoft_support_for_odf_is_lacking
> 
> 
> Working to Rule
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Yet Microsoft Office SP2 claims to have a fully compliant version of
> | ODF, and that's probably true, as defined by the specification. It's
> | just completely useless at interoperating with other vendors products.
> | This is not interoperability, it's an attack on the very concept.
> `----
> 
> http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/296
> 
> 
> MS forking ODF? They would love to.
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | By the looks of it, I cannot but feel that MS has found a way to fork
> | the ODF 1.1 to suite their world view of having their product as the
> | only one out there. I have to agree with IBM's Rob Weir in this post.
> `----
> 
> http://harishpillay.livejournal.com/158370.html
> 
> 
> ODF interoperability event - Royal Library, The Hague - June 15/16 2009
> 
> http://www.openforumeurope.org/press-room/ofe-events
odf-interoperability-event-royal-library-the-hague-june-15-16-2009
> 
> 
> ODF@WWW - An ODF Wiki
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI0AEJkotzM
> 
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | I received from the ODF Alliance the following response to my email:
> |
> | That?s the plan for next week. A harder-hitting press release with Fact
> | Sheet. Stay tuned!
> `----
> 
> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-154383
microsoft-now-attempts-to-sabotage-odf
> 
> 
> A follow-up on Excel 2007 SP2's ODF support
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | In other words, all of those Interoperability Directors and
> | Interoperability Architects at Microsoft seem to have (hopefully
> | temporarily) switched into Minimal Conformance Directors and Minimal
> | Conformance Architects, and are gazing at their navels. I hope they did
> | not suffer a reduction in salary commensurate with the reduction in
> | their claimed responsibilities.
> |
> | [...]
> |
> | In any case, this comes down to why do you implement a standard. What
> | are your goals? If your goal is be interoperable, then you perform
> | interoperability testing and make those adjustments to your product
> | necessary to make it be both conformant and interoperable. But if your
> | goal is to simply fulfill a checkbox requirement without actually
> | providing any tangible customer benefit, then you will do as little as
> | needed. However, if your goal is to destroy a standard, then you will
> | create a non-conformant, non-interoperable implementation, automatically
> | download it to millions of users and sow confusion in the marketplace by
> | flooding it with millions of incompatible documents. It all depends on
> | your goals. Voluntary standards do not force, or prevent, one approach
> | or another.
> |
> | To wrap this up, I stand on the table of interoperability results in the
> | previous post. SP2 has reduced the level of interoperability among ODF
> | spreadsheets, by failing to produce conforming ODF documents, and
> | failing to take note of the spreadsheet formula conventions that had
> | been adopted by all of the other vendors and which are working their way
> | through OASIS as a standard.
> `----
> 
> http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/05/follow-up-on-excel-2007-sp2s-odf.html
> 
> 
> Microsoft now attempts to sabotage ODF
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | - Ask the ODF Alliance to publish a press release recommending not using
> | the "Save as ODF" facility included MS Office SP2, due to the bad
> | quality of the produced ODF files.
> |
> | [...]
> |
> | - Start a petition asking Microsoft to make MS Office SP2 unavailable
> | until the design flaws in the product have been corrected.
> |
> | We must make it clear to Microsoft that their attitude is not
> | acceptable, and force them to behave in a better way.
> `----
> 
> http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-154383
microsoft-now-attempts-to-sabotage-odf
> 
> 
> Engage, embrace, extinguish
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Today we have OpenOffice.org 3.1 gets released. In the meantime, the
> | proprietary product from Redmond claims to be able to wirte ODF format,
> | but fails. Pity. Money corrupts, but MS Tax Dollars corrupts absolutely.
> `----
> 
> http://harishpillay.livejournal.com/157565.html
> 
> 
> Microsoft now attempt to fragment ODF
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | One of the first articles published about SP2 and for which I call the
> | attention of everyone is from Rob Weir, chair of the OASIS ODF TC (group
> | that develops the ODF, to which I belong). It is simply scary to see
> | what Office 2007 does with existing ODF spreadsheets.
> |
> | The technical details are all on Rob?s blog, but in summary, when
> | opening an ODF spreadsheet (.ods file) using Office 2007, it simply
> | removes all existing formulas without telling anything to the user,
> | leaving only the values in cells (results of formulas evaluation,
> | previously stored in the document). If a user wants to test the ODF
> | support in Office, and without giving due attention, save an existing
> | spreadsheet, will overwrite the document removing all the formulas (as
> | if you were writing a table). I saw absurdities in life, but nothing
> | compared to this.
> `----
> 
> http://homembit.com/2009/05/microsoft-now-attempt-to-fragment-odf.html
> 
> 
> OpenDocument Format: The Standard for Office Documents
> 
> http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/05
opendocument-format-standard-for-office.html
> 
> 
> A Few Facts As Antidote Against Microsoft's anti-ODF FUD Campaign
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | The best antidote against FUD is facts. FUD only works when people don't
> | know any better. So, given some recent anti-ODF FUD in the air, I
> | thought it would be useful to provide some facts.
> |
> | First, I'd like to show you who voted Yes to approve OpenDocument v1.1
> | as an OASIS Standard in January of 2007. ODF v1.2 is already being
> | adopted by some now, of course, as development has continued, but
> | Microsoft chose to stick with v1.1, so let's do the same. I think you'll
> | find the list dispositive as to who is sincere in this picture. Next
> | time you read some criticism of ODF, then, you can just take a look at
> | the list and ask yourself what it tells you. And if you are a technical
> | person, here's ODF v1.1, so you can compare any claims of deficiencies.
> | Here's Groklaw's chronicle of the OOXML/ODF saga, where you can find
> | many resources, including a chronology of events from 2005 to the
> | present.
> `----
> 
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009050712493241
> 
> 
> Microsoft vs. ODF: arrogance on display
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Note to Microsoft: This is not how standards work. Frankly, if you don?t
> | intend to support ODF properly, you may as well not support it at all.
> | What your product writes isn?t ODF. When your product reads ODF, it
> | silently discards important parts of the data. (Yes, the formulas in
> | spreadsheets are important. That?s the whole purpose of a spreadsheet
> | program! Otherwise we may as well be using pencil, paper, and
> | calculators.)
> `----
> 
> http://www.shawnkquinn.com/2009/05/microsoft-vs-odf-arrogance-on-display/
> 
> 
> Should we waterboard Rob Weir? And other crucial questions?
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> | These are very interesting times for ODF and Open Standards. Microsoft?s
> | latest outrage by Gray Knowlton does at least show that if there?s a
> | company who practices the « Do as I say, not as I do », it?s Microsoft.
> | Gray Knowlton is now calling for Rob Weir, chair of the ODF Technical
> | Committee at the OASIS Consortium to resign. I understand Gray. Gray is
> | the Product Manager of Microsoft Office at Microsoft. Which means he is
> | ultimately to blame for the lousy job Microsoft engineers have done in
> | implementing ODF inside Microsoft Office. Gray is in the front line, and
> | you can bet he?s having to answer some tough calls from customers right
> | now. Gray does not have to ride the smooth « try Seven after Vista »
> | wave; he has to go through the clutter that Microsoft?s big heads have
> | created by thinking: What if we had ODF wrecked inside Office and get
> | the world to believe that it?s not our fault? That?s Gray?s problem. And
> | this is how we come to the waterboarding of Rob. But I digress.
> |
> | [...]
> |
> | Bad, bad, evil Rob. Not only he didn?t go to your grand astroturfing
> | party, but he apparently forgot to mention SP2 at the coffee machine ten
> | times in a rowthe day you released it. That must be depressing. Anyway;
> | talking about missing the chance to provide your input before things
> | happen: How come Microsoft left the OASIS ODF TC in 2003?
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