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I’m Fed Up With Mono
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| Of course I’m fed with Mono. I am so annoyed by the public passion for this
| technology that I won’t bother anymore to blog against it. A tiny mention
| though, in this short post.
|
| First of all, I was exceedingly pissed off by a long pro-Mono plea by Jo
| Shields, which I have read as posted by Carla Schroder. I can’t comment on
| it, as I don’t want to read it again. It hurts my guts.
|
| The only thing I can say: we don’t need Mono, the same way we don’t need
| Java. It’s not just about Microsoft. It’s about stupid people who try to
| force some technologies there where they’re not needed.
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http://www.linuxplus.net/2009/06/14/im-fed-up-with-mono/
I give up.
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| On top of all that, the ubuntu forums are “disappearing” threads that are
| critical of mono … and people seem perfectly alright with that. I spent a lot
| of time posting to a thread yesterday, only to come back on today to see it
| removed from the boards. Same thing on brainstorm with votes
| being “disappeared”.
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http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/i-give-up/
Mono, here we go again
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| Also, sharing pearls for wisdom such as “Double click is patented”, “They’re
| just doing FUD” does not really help people think you’re serious. DOSsing
| BoycottNovell also doesn’t help (nor to claim they did it to themselves), nor
| helps claiming that Fedora included Gnote just for space saving (weird how
| what make Fedora lose space apparently makes Ubuntu save it, uh ?): I’ve got
| a nice news for you:
|
| “We do have some serious concerns about Mono and we’ll continue to look at it
| with our legal counsel to see what if any steps are needed on our part,”
| Frields said.
|
| “We haven’t come to a legal conclusion that is pat enough for us to make the
| decision to take mono out,” Frields said. “Right now we’re in a status quo.
| Gnote is a relatively recent development and unfortunately was too late in
| the Fedora 11 development cycle to include by default.”
|
| That conclusion was probably drew after some consulting with
| RedHat’s “oh-so-sophisticated anti-Mono lawyers”.
|
| It’s not that Mono is that bad. Let’s move it to Medibuntu and everyone is
| fine.
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http://www.stefanoforenza.com/mono-here-we-go-again/
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mononono
Recent:
Fedora is concerned about Mono
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| That said, Frields also told me that in his view there are some problems with
| the language used in the legalese surrounding Mono and its redistribution.
|
| "We do have some serious concerns about Mono and we'll continue to look
| at it with our legal counsel to see what if any steps are needed on our
| part," Frields said.
|
| While Mono is part of Fedora, Mono is not part of Red Hat Enterprise Linux
| and hasn't been since 2006. It's not clear if mono will stay or go for the
| final Fedora 12 release when it appears 6 months from now.
|
| "We haven't come to a legal conclusion that is pat enough for us to make
| the decision to take mono out," Frields said. "Right now we're in a
| status quo. Gnote is a relatively recent development and unfortunately
| was too late in the Fedora 11 development cycle to include by default."
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http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/06/fedora-is-concerned-about-mono.html
Ubuntu is Driving Me Away
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| I know that Microsoft is opposed to the existence of Linux. That have said
| so, often and stridently. I know that Novell caved in and did not stand up
| for FOSS when they had the chance. They have since apologized, sort of, but
| the damage is done. Other companies did not follow suit, including Red Hat
| and Canonical. I respect them for this as much as I detest Novell for selling
| us down the drain.
|
| Mono is not only a reminder of that sellout, but its legal status is far from
| settled. Novell and Microsoft can’t agree on who can distribute it. Microsoft
| takes the position that their agreement only covers Novell and not other
| distributions. Novell thinks otherwise. I do not care. Nothing that comes
| from Microsoft can be for our good and benefit. They are dedicated to our
| destruction and downfall.
|
| Mono has infected Gnome. Ubuntu uses Gnome. I switched to Kubuntu and am
| happy with it. Now Moonlight is infecting Linux. Canonical is compromising
| its principles in the use of them and in my using their products I am forced
| to compromise my own values.
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http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/ubuntu-is-driving-me-away/
Disinformation Disinfected, pt. 3: Banshee in Ubuntu
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| Here, let’s take a look at one of the main things that get’s me going about
| mono-supporters.
|
| There is a strong push to get Banshee in as the default media player in
| Ubuntu. Here’s my take on that.
|
| The first lie: Banshee saves space.
|
| As near as I can tell, the whole thing really got going from an
| apebox.org “rant” back around April. In this [cough]fact-filled[/cough] post,
| the assertion is made that 6.1 MiB will be saved on the LiveCD by
| replacing “bloated C-based” Rhythmbox with Banshee.
|
| This, like most pro-mono propaganda is about 25% truth/ 75% lie. You see, it
| doesn’t count the accompanying documentation of Rhythmbox. The apebox.org
| ranter casually cedes the point on page 4 or so of this thread, pretending
| all the while like space was “never really my main argument.”
|
| [...]
|
| It’s my opinion that despite protestations of “oh, I’m just looking out for
| the best application”, it is clear the initial thrust of getting Banshee into
| Ubuntu as the default media player was based on the pro-mono agenda of simply
| pushing mono apps.
|
| Let me be clear on my position: if people want to use mono apps, well then,
| drop it in the repos and drive on Power Ranger. It is the constant “shove it
| down their throats” of the pro-mono brigade which offends me the most.
|
| Mindshare is very important; it is why all that shovelware pays to have their
| crappy applications on the WinXP OEM desktop. It is a major “win” for mono to
| be included by default, because then mono-supporters can simply point to some
| existing application and say “well, that mono app is already in, so why not
| this one?”
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http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/disinformation-disinfected-pt-3-banshee-in-ubuntu/
Ubuntu censoring rap
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| In fact they even not care of providing a place for discussion to happen.
| Ubuntu does not care about Mono issues. It’s not that people are not allowed
| to talk. It’s that every place they find is the wrong place. There’s no such
| place inside the Ubuntu community facilities.
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http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ubuntu-censoring-rap/
Strip Mono from Ubuntu and prevent it to come back
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| Really. This stuff is bloody serious, I mean.. will remove f-spot! And other
| stuff. You could also not be able to have sex with more than a partner at
| time anymore. Use it with care. I also won’t able to give you support to any
| issue you may experience.
|
| The day it will require you to remove the whole gnome, instead, you’ll know
| we’re in big troubles.
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http://www.stefanoforenza.com/remove-mono-from-ubuntu/
The elusive, royalty-free patent licence for Mono
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| How difficult or easy is it to obtain one of the much-touted "royalty-free,
| reasonable and non-discriminatory" licences for Microsoft patents that are
| part of a technology like Mono?
|
| Judging by the frequency with which references are made to such licences by
| those who back Novell vice-president Miguel de Icaza's bid to create an open
| source clone of Microsoft's .NET development environment, it's surprising
| that no-one has ever ventured to test this claim.
|
| The idea of trying to find out what was involved arose after reading a nearly
| nine-month old, well-written post defending the use of Mono and mocking its
| detractors. The author, Jo Shields, is a Debian developer and works for
| Oxford University.
|
| [...]
|
| He replied two days later, pointing out, "Ecma does not have anything to do
| with possible licensing of .NET. But Microsoft is one of our members, so I
| have asked them whom to contact there – if anything is needed, what I just do
| not know."
|
| Dr Sebestyn added: "My contact at Microsoft said that you should contact
| Peggy Moloney there, who would be able to help you."
|
| I wrote to Ms Moloney on April 28, asking for the same information: "I
| understand that the terms of the licences to the patents which Microsoft
| holds on the .NET development platform permit people to obtain a
| royalty-free, reasonable and non-discriminatory licence to use them. I would
| be grateful if you let me know exactly how one obtains such a licence."
|
| I also asked her about the variance in the terms for the licensing of
| Moonlight, a clone of Microsoft's Silverlight, using which the company hopes
| to capture the market that is dominated by Adobe's Flash. De Icaza is behind
| this project as well.
|
|
| [...]
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| There's a been a deafening silence since then. There the matter stands after
| nearly a month. You would think that's a decent period for anyone to think
| things through and respond - if the intention of doing so exists.
|
| To me, it looks this licence is as real as the unicorn. Or maybe Santa Claus.
| I think Mono fans need to think of a fresh defence when people talk about the
| dangers of patent suits arising over this technology. The licence talk has
| worn more than a little thin.
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http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/
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