Verily I say unto thee, that Stone Mirror spake thusly:
> On Aug 2, 12:44 am, Homer <usenet@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> My only point around Mono is that I don't think you, or Roy, or
> anyone else (other than the folks involved in the Ubuntu Technical
> Board, in the case of Ubuntu, for example) have any place telling
> everybody _else_ what to do
Well that's like saying the Democrats do not have any place trying to
gain voters from the Republicans, which is, in effect, all I'm trying
to do - metaphorically speaking. I'm trying to rally support. That is
all. The specific thing I'm trying to rally support for, is expulsion
of Mono from /all/ distros, not just Ubuntu. I neither have, nor do I
expect, the unilateral power to force this expulsion, and this is the
precise reason I need to rally support. If a consensus can be reached
for this expulsion, then I'll have achieved my goal - the people will
have spoken, and Mono will be rejected (from distros).
I have no /expectations/ either way, but I aim to try, and apparently
others are trying too, so I'm ever hopeful.
Note this will /not/ mean Mono is no longer obtainable, it just means
it will no longer be distributed by the distro vendor to the users by
default. Those few who still want Mono despite my efforts to convince
them otherwise, will still be able to obtain it from upstream.
> especially since you seem to be too lazy to do anything about it
As I've already explained, if my only goal was to respin a distro for
my own personal use, then I could easily accomplish that in just five
minutes, using simple tools like Revisor, and likewise for a new Mono
-free distro (a la gNewSense). But that isn't my goal. And if my goal
was to campaign for expulsion of Mono from just one particular distro
(e.g. Ubuntu), then I could do as you suggest and join the UTB. Again
that isn't my goal, although theoretically I could join the technical
boards of /every/ distro, sequentially or in parallel, and rally some
support one distro at a time, but then given that there are some 300+
distros out there, it'd be a very long and slow process. So instead I
choose the soapbox approach - my prerogative.
>>> don't seem to value the freedom of speech of anyone but
>>> yourselves. Funny Thing.
>>
>> The "freedom" to do harm is not a right, it's an abuse.
>
> And who am I harming, "Homer"?
Since you claim to not be promoting Mono (and at this point I'll just
take that at face value), then WRT you specifically - no one. However
there /are/ those who exercise /their/ "freedom of speech" to promote
Mono. Yet when I try to exercise /my/ "freedom of speech" to /demote/
Mono, I'm told it's not my place. Now bear in mind that my opinion of
Mono is negative (i.e. I contend it does harm) so from my perspective
those who promote Mono are also doing harm ... harm which I am trying
to /undo/ by /demoting/ it.
WRT what /you/ support, I'll concede I have no idea, because you have
not really expressed any opinions either way. My first impressions of
your motives seem to be wrong, since I don't see you defending either
Mono or Microsoft, other than concerns that I may be "forcing" Ubuntu
users to do something they don't want to. I hope you now understand I
will not, and can not, force them to do something they don't want to,
but I can attempt to persuade them, and everyone else, to expel Mono.
--
K.
http://slated.org
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