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[News] [Rival] A Glimpse at How Microsoft Scammed the EU Into Harming Free Software

  • Subject: [News] [Rival] A Glimpse at How Microsoft Scammed the EU Into Harming Free Software
  • From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:07:55 +0100
  • Followup-to: comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Interview with ECIS's Thomas Vinje and Ashwin van Rooijen on the
Microsoft-EU Commission Deal, by Sean Daly

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| Ashwin van Rooijen: Yeah. Well, I think 
| the open source issue is important. In 
| many markets, Microsoft faces meaningful 
| competition -- any meaningful competition 
| -- only from open source developers. So 
| it is very important that they can 
| actually create interoperable products. 
| And the current template patent license 
| that was part of the undertaking -- I 
| believe it was Annex C of the undertaking 
| -- is clearly not compatible with open 
| source licensing schemes and especially 
| not with the GPL. It requires, for 
| example, that developers that take a 
| license, that take a patent license, 
| notify all the other developers that they 
| distribute the software to of the various 
| patents which Microsoft claims to have in 
| its software. And obviously, that's an 
| obligation which cannot be reconciled 
| with the GPL. And there are other 
| provisions as well which I think would 
| need to be resolved.
| 
| 38:34
| 
| Q: Well, there's also been a history of 
| Microsoft claiming patent infringement, 
| but not communicating the numbers of the 
| patents in question.
| 
| 38:42
| 
| Thomas Vinje: that's been a very serious 
| issue indeed. And patent FUD, in that 
| regard --
| 
| 38:48
| 
| Q: Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
| 
| 38:49
| 
| Thomas Vinje: Fear, Uncertainty, and 
| Doubt, which we certainly believe and has 
| been engaged in to cause concern mainly 
| among potential consumers of open source 
| software about potential patent 
| liability. That's been a serious concern. 
| There are some things in this proposed 
| undertaking that would help to address 
| that problem. And we should say more 
| generally that not everything in the 
| proposed interoperability undertaking is 
| bad; there are some very serious problems 
| with it, some really rather obnoxious 
| devils in the details --
| 
| 39:28
| 
| Q: Could you be more specific?
| 
| 39:29
| 
| Thomas Vinje: Well, we've been talking 
| about the patent one, and the standards 
| one, and we could address other ones as 
| well. But nonetheless, there are some -- 
| we're not certainly saying that it's 
| unsaveable -- I mean, this is a document 
| which could be modified and turned into 
| something which would be very useful. Not 
| necessarily a panacea, it's not going to 
| change the landscape of the industry and 
| make it competitive tomorrow in ways that 
| it isn't today, or even next year in ways 
| that it isn't today, but it potentially 
| would be a very useful arrangement. 
| Ashwin, I've spoken a lot, why don't you 
| mention some of the other devils in the 
| details of the proposed interoperability 
| undertaking? 
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009100908022461


Recent:

Is the EU-Microsoft Deal a Victory or Defeat? And for Whom?

,----[ Quote ]
| Now, the phrase âcompatible with Open Source Licensesâ
| is pretty vague. Does that include the GNU GPL, for
| instance? If it doesn't, it's a weak undertaking, but if
| it does, it could be significant. Similarly, what
| exactly ânominal upfront feeâ means, and whether it is
| per project and truly negligible, are questions that
| will need to be answered before that undertaking can be
| judged.
`----

http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2576&blogid=14


Meet Microsoft, the Delusional

,----[ Quote ]
| Er, what, like the browser sector, where Firefox now has
| nearly 24% market share worldwide, and Microsoft's share
| is decreasing? Or Apache's 54% in the Web server world,
| where Microsoft's share is decreasing? Or GNU/Linux's
| 88% market share of the top 500 supercomputers in the
| world, where Microsoft's share is static?
`----

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/10/meet-microsoft-delusional.html


GNU/Linux: rubbery figures don't help the cause

,----[ Quote ]
| I wrote to Net Applications on May 6, with the operative part of my query
| being: "Can you please elaborate as to the methodology employed to obtain
| these statistics and the geographical regions which are covered? I searched
| your site for information but could not find anything."
|
| Back came an automated reply which gave me reason for hope; it said, among a
| host of other things, "Messages are normally answered within 24 hours on
| weekdays." But that was the end of the matter. A week later I am none the
| wiser as to how the statistics were collected and what geographical area they
| cover.
|
| [...]
|
| If one wants to look at anything other than the statistics as provided by Net
| Applications, one has to subscribe to something called "Geolocation Upgrade"
| and pay - the options cost anything from $US300 to $US1000.
|
| But on that page, one does get an indication of the reach of the statistics.
| One option available is geolocation segmentation - "country, region,
| designated market area, city and postal code and combination reports for
| browsers, operating systems and search engines." And it adds: "Postal code
| segmentation is for the US, UK and Canada only."
|
| Another option, titled demographic upgrade, is available for the US only. No
| mention of China, India or Brazil, three rather large countries where
| sizeable numbers of the six billion humans who populate our world live.
|
| It is surprising that nobody has thought to ask these questions - it doesn't
| take much intelligence to do so. There has been considerable angst among some
| at what they call under-reporting of the degree of Linux take-up on the
| desktop.
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http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25014/1148/
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